tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post5596720834907517408..comments2024-03-28T11:00:42.440+00:00Comments on The Low Carb Diabetic: The $64000 question, what motivates a low carb anti ?Lowcarb team memberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07961199165290289611noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-34599357855347870632012-04-05T10:33:43.188+01:002012-04-05T10:33:43.188+01:00Sid I am mortified, please accept my profuse and p...Sid I am mortified, please accept my profuse and profound apology. I am self flagellating, as I type, by way of penance. Please believe me when I say, I am not normally into Sado-Masacism. But as you like to say, we are all different.<br /><br />You did not say 15 grams of cereal. But you did say on the ‘make me mad thread at d.co.uk December 2nd, 2011, 7:57 am’ “I eat Cornflakes almost every morning, 16g measured out on my scales, that’s 13.5g of carbohydrate plus a little for the splash of semi skimmed” You have referred to 16 and 17 grams of cornflakes on other threads.<br /><br />Now, most of the people I know, consider cornflakes to be a cereal, I appreciate 1 gram must be the difference between life and death, when a man is on your level of daily calories, but for most people it’s neither here nor there. <br /><br /><br />EddieLowcarb team memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961199165290289611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-50418678004887913922012-04-05T09:54:09.778+01:002012-04-05T09:54:09.778+01:00Quote by Eddie:
Back in June 2009 he states “I sti...Quote by Eddie:<br /><i>Back in June 2009 he states “I still eat cereal for breakfast but only 30grams” now it’s 15 grams.</i><br /><br />Back in 2009 I was on insulin so hardly relevant, now I eat between 16g and 18g of corn flakes when I eat cerial and oddly enough in the UK Kellogs puts exactly 17g in a packet of corn flakes in their variety pack, so whats amusing there Eddie. <br /><br />Oh and I've never posted that I eat 15g of cereal but your used to twisting the truth and making things up aren't you?<br /><br />$idAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-36518177412491239022012-04-04T22:55:10.791+01:002012-04-04T22:55:10.791+01:00Today is exactly four years since my T2 diagnosis,...Today is exactly four years since my T2 diagnosis, of those four years I've spent three and half low carbing. Given what phoenix has said in her "why I don't low carb thread" I should be seeing some of the complications that she has shown concerns about right! Well the answer is no since diagnosis diagnosis my lipids have improved:<br /><br />HDL 1.62 now 2.04, LDL 3.27 now 2.95, Trigs 0.65 now 0.52, Total/HDL ratio 3.2 now 2.6.<br /><br />Kidney's, given that I'm 68 now you would expect some age related deterioration but the reverse is the case.<br /><br />Creatinine 70 GFR >60<br />Now <br />Creatinine 60 GFR >90<br /><br />A1c 7% now 6.2<br /><br />All other bloods tests in normal range.<br /><br />Do you reckon I could improve on this by following phoenix's 45 to 65% cals from carbs?<br />For my calorie needs that would equate to 393g to 525g carbs a day!<br /><br />GrahamLowcarb team memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961199165290289611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-36482617146557876132012-04-04T21:55:11.402+01:002012-04-04T21:55:11.402+01:00"Not that I agree that those who dont worship..."Not that I agree that those who dont worship at the church of Taubes are haters but one only has to read the comments from low carbers on this blog to know why they have no time for Eddie and co"<br /><br />Or you could read the comments from <a href="http://carbophile.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/it-saturday-so-we-must-all-be-sameor.html?showComment=1331399233916" rel="nofollow">this</a> blog to see the real anti low carb bile!<br /><br />GrahamLowcarb team memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961199165290289611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-80818356870514386882012-04-04T20:01:49.510+01:002012-04-04T20:01:49.510+01:00Just looked at the phoenix link same old scare sto...Just looked at the phoenix link same old scare stories. I reversed my NAFLD with a high fat low carb diet, my cholesterol levels have never been better, my BMI is now in the normal range for the first time in over 15 years.<br /><br />AlanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-46514505214656930032012-04-04T15:07:57.083+01:002012-04-04T15:07:57.083+01:00"Not that I agree that those who dont worship..."Not that I agree that those who dont worship at the church of Taubes are haters but one only has to read the comments from low carbers on this blog to know why they have no time for Eddie and co" <br /><br />I bet you worship at the church of Ancel Keys, good luck. As for comments on this blog, are you confusing us with Carbo's mob ?<br /><br />EddieLowcarb team memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961199165290289611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-15866974174180830072012-04-04T14:56:54.156+01:002012-04-04T14:56:54.156+01:00"The live link to why I dont low carb is very..."The live link to why I dont low carb is very revealing. Kidney problems-heart problems-digestion problems. This individual can’t low carb, if only they stated the facts in their forum signature"<br /><br />You are wrong, this is a text book case for why lowcarbing works. Both peer revued medical papers and anecdotal evidence shows time and time again, a big reduction in carbs leads to better cholesterol numbers. Not that I believe total cholesterol numbers are a reliable indication for heart attack etc. It is the individual component numbers that have to be looked at. Lowcarbing increases LDL, but HDL also goes up to counter-act. It is almost always the case triglycerides numbers plummet. Trig numbers are now seen as a far better indictor for future heart disease than total cholesterol numbers. By enlightened healthcare pro’s.<br /><br />It is true a person with reduced kidney function has to very careful with protein intake. Again, a big drop in carbs usually improves kidney function. Anyone remember Peppi ? He was told he life would be cut short by his Doctor due to kidney failure, he dumped the carbs, kept his protein level and upped the fats. Result, his Doctor was amazed when his kidney function improved 100% in a few months.<br /><br />We all need fats to live and that’s a fact. This does not mean us lowcarbers are eating blocks of lard and fat laden chops. Flax, olive oil, avocado, seeds and nuts will keep most people going strong, even if that cannot tolerate lots of dairy products or red meat etc.<br /><br />I believe almost any diabetic will benefit from a low carb diet, very few can’t lowcarb, but many choose not to, in short they do not want to low carb. That’s cool with me, each to their own. It’s when they rubbish lowcarb that sticks in my craw. DONE PROPERLY lowcarb is safe, sustainable for life and infinitely more effective ]than any type two drugs for reducing HbA1c. The benefits for insulin users are also enormous as reported on forums on a daily basis all over the world. Less carbs=less insulin, less insulin saves money and leads to far better control. Bernstein calls it the power of small numbers and he is spot on. Insulin is not only a growth hormone, it is also the aging hormone.<br /><br /><br />EddieLowcarb team memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961199165290289611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-5066492607716826422012-04-04T14:12:58.507+01:002012-04-04T14:12:58.507+01:00QUOTE:
doggone it, i was hoping you were going to ...QUOTE:<br /><i>doggone it, i was hoping you were going to answer that question! :-) i wonder that, too -- why the anti's are such haters....</i><br /><br />Not that I agree that those who dont worship at the church of Taubes are haters but one only has to read the comments from low carbers on this blog to know why they have no time for Eddie and coAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-21070973322040779112012-04-04T13:24:58.193+01:002012-04-04T13:24:58.193+01:00The live link to why I dont low carb is very revea...The live link to why I dont low carb is very revealing. Kidney problems-heart problems-digestion problems. This individual can’t low carb, if only they stated the facts in their forum signature.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-74556798579289182612012-04-04T11:57:50.552+01:002012-04-04T11:57:50.552+01:00I am becoming very concerned for Sid (portion cont...I am becoming very concerned for Sid (portion control) Bonkers.<br /><br />Back in June 2009 he states “I still eat cereal for breakfast but only 30grams” now it’s 15 grams.<br /><br />At this rate of dietary regression he will soon be on 1 gram of cornflakes for breakfast. Where does portion control end ? A zero food diet ! <br /><br /><br />EddieLowcarb team memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961199165290289611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-40946307722531484772012-04-04T11:02:04.484+01:002012-04-04T11:02:04.484+01:00Good link Graham - so Phoenix and Sid Bonkers both...Good link Graham - so Phoenix and Sid Bonkers both don't low carb and both had/have heart problems. Poor old Kegstore didn't low carb and is now sadly dead.<br /><br />This is pretty much a post for why you SHOULD low carb.<br /><br />I particularly liked Sid Bonker's quote - "I am defiantly not a 'vehement anti low poster'". By which I think he means 'definitely' (but to be honest it's always a problem figuring our what he means). <br /><br />But, good lord, if Sid isn't I'd like to see someone who is...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-38927854394532017032012-04-03T21:55:40.519+01:002012-04-03T21:55:40.519+01:00Phoenix a long standing anti posted on this thread...Phoenix a long standing anti posted on this thread in the non low carb forum;<br /><br /> Re: why i dont low carb<br /> by phoenix » June 22nd, 2009, 2:47 pm <br /><br /><a href="http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=8913#p83982" rel="nofollow">http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=8913#p83982</a><br /><br />GrahamLowcarb team memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961199165290289611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-75922564559574911102012-04-03T21:33:56.344+01:002012-04-03T21:33:56.344+01:00The was very little trouble between the different ...The was very little trouble between the different factions on the DCUK forum, that was until the advent of a certain dietician with ludicrous assertions that lowcarb would lead to scurvy,constipation, osteoporosis etc. She also said that without potatoes in our diet we would be lacking Vit C Folic acid and seretonin, of course the anti's agreed with her.<br /><br />GrahamLowcarb team memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961199165290289611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-15616922720820932892012-04-03T20:41:57.198+01:002012-04-03T20:41:57.198+01:00Read Carbophiles blog. Nothing but hate. Almost no...Read Carbophiles blog. Nothing but hate. Almost no links to diabetes information. A few links to recipes, result in few or no comments. A blog dedicated to abusing lowcarbers and active diabetics. The bitter irony his idiotic readers call this the bile blog. These people are living in a world of their own. So much for high carb and drugs.<br /><br />AnneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-38462600684794943272012-04-03T20:28:40.126+01:002012-04-03T20:28:40.126+01:00Good to see Carbophile, (reports of his demise hav...Good to see Carbophile, (reports of his demise have been greatly exaggerated) blog is back posting comments. Carbo, would you believe “A simple carb loving person with diabetes, struggling with managing the condition and living a normal life” is yet another fired and disgraced forum mod at diabetes.co.uk, approved the following comment today.<br /><br />“It does make me laugh when latest posts on the Bile Blog refer to a clique on DCUK. Wasn't he part of a clique there that rode roughshod over posters? The clique he is referring to are not bully boys like he was.<br /><br />There is a new clique emerging to take Edie's place but they have a more subtle approach and although they push what you should be eating according to the gospel of low carb, they are reasonable at times if they are confronted with an alternative view..”<br /><br />I like Carbo, he offers a sanctuary for the carb and medication addicted , the idiotic Dietition and Director of the BDA, and other anti lowcarb miscreants.<br /><br />As for the new clique, they are doing a great job. And without the Stalinist Kenny boy, backing up the carb addicted, will continue to do a great job. <br /><br />Keep up the good work. You know it makes sense, why fight it !<br /><br />EddieLowcarb team memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961199165290289611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-56950938644932584942012-04-03T19:31:59.789+01:002012-04-03T19:31:59.789+01:00Goodness me ed - isn't this a case of pot call...Goodness me ed - isn't this a case of pot calling kettle black. You just do not get it do you !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-59968528485256627812012-04-03T18:36:15.103+01:002012-04-03T18:36:15.103+01:00All too often these are sad individuals who attain...All too often these are sad individuals who attain what they perceive as stature and respect by either barbed or long polemical posts. They necessarily oppose what is obviously sensible and argue from a standpoint that ensures they get a lot of attention. They are like precocious children and, like kids, have easily bruised egos.<br /><br />In a way, Disraeli's famous description of Gladstone applies: "A sophisticated rhetorician, inebriated with the exuberance of his own verbosity" <br /><br />Basically - sad, silly, immature little show-offs who dominate the stage whenever possible.<br /><br />Apart from Sid of course, he's just a twat!<br /><br />RayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-65854306301691409922012-04-03T18:28:00.974+01:002012-04-03T18:28:00.974+01:00Hi Tess thanks for your comments.
"doggone i...Hi Tess thanks for your comments.<br /><br />"doggone it, i was hoping you were going to answer that question! :-) i wonder that, too -- why the anti's are such haters...."<br /><br />What makes anyone a hater ? <br /><br />What makes someone that has it all, want to frighten and spread fear and alarm to the information disadvantaged, the poor, the have nots. Maybe these people gain some sort of strength and a feeling of superiority over people less fortunate than themselves. Maybe life has dealt them too many bad hands. In a perfect world the strong would look after weak, unfortunately this world is far from perfect.<br /><br />EddieLowcarb team memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961199165290289611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-62526173395248581372012-04-03T17:16:54.473+01:002012-04-03T17:16:54.473+01:00I believe the vehemence of the clique may be trace...I believe the vehemence of the clique may be traced to the following factors.<br /><br />Employment/former employment/(relative of) as a HCP<br />It must be particularly galling to discover that much of what you (or your relative) had learned was actually worsening the health of diabetics. To be publicly admonished must have been even more humiliating.<br /><br />Type 1 Diabetics<br />It must be particularly galling to discover the ease with which low carbing Type 2s achieve HbA1c in the 5-6% range. They even attacked Fergus, a Type 1, who, with low carbing, regularly achieves HbA1c of 4.7%.<br /><br />Sedentary Type 2 Diabetics<br />It must be particularly galling to discover that nobody is listening to the endlessly repeated mantra of portion control. Simply because most of us do not have a sedentary lifestyle and could not exist on their stated calorific intake.<br /><br />Ex-Moderators<br />It must be particularly galling to discover that that everyone is laughing at their delusional fantasies of power, relevance, and omnipotence.<br /><br />JohnLowcarb team memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961199165290289611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-66948148452983860442012-04-03T16:40:57.789+01:002012-04-03T16:40:57.789+01:00doggone it, i was hoping you were going to answer ...doggone it, i was hoping you were going to answer that question! :-) i wonder that, too -- why the anti's are such haters....tesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254045589639201707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-18417932607747836742012-04-03T16:37:02.079+01:002012-04-03T16:37:02.079+01:00It's game, set and match to low carb on the fo...It's game, set and match to low carb on the forum. The only people that can't see it are the bonkers brigade.<br /><br />AnneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-75153281967357826262012-04-03T14:51:55.971+01:002012-04-03T14:51:55.971+01:00As you say John a probable bleak end game. One mus...As you say John a probable bleak end game. One must also consider the amount of metabolic syndromes the type one, well controlled diabetic, often escapes. Insulin resistance is not a problem for many, and that alone can lead to many complications. Insulin is not a get out of jail free card. Excess insulin brings as many health problems as high blood glucose. Then there are problems of financial cost, life insurance problems, loss of driving license and ramifications regarding employment. The list goes on.<br /><br />For those that can, and those that are prepared to make the effort, the correct diet for a diabetic will always blow drugs into the weeds.<br /><br />EddieLowcarb team memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961199165290289611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600659484694637338.post-88380156953918314782012-04-03T13:46:09.608+01:002012-04-03T13:46:09.608+01:00Great post Eddie! I often wonder what advice they ...Great post Eddie! I often wonder what advice they would give for the following scenario.<br /><br />A type 2 is diagnosed with an HbA1c of the order 10.5 – 12.5%. He is given the usual NHS dietary advice and starts on a medication regime. However, even with triple drug medication the maximum reduction is of the order 1.5 – 2.5%). After an interval of time, he is taken off the medication and put on insulin.<br /><br />What do we know about diabetics on insulin? Well for type 1 diabetics from the NHS Statistics for 2008 2009:<br />% of Type 1 diabetics with HbA1c greater than 7.50% = 71.4.<br />% of Type 1 diabetics with HbA1c greater than 10.0% = 33.6.<br /><br />Assuming that the motivation, difficulties, etc of using insulin is similar for type 2s as it is for type 1s the prognosis for our type 2 is bleak.<br /><br />What advice would you give to such an individual? Answers on the back of a postcard.<br /><br />JohnLowcarb team memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961199165290289611noreply@blogger.com