"That’s not to say I think LC is wrong. I just think it’s woefully incomplete and everyone needs to recongnize Atkins is dead"
Richard Nikoley Free The Animal Blog.
We used to have FTA in our sidebar, then Richard went batshit.
Eddie
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13 comments:
Oh dear.. now that is some quote!
But Richard is not a LCarber, you put him on your blog-roll only because he attacked Carbsane.
I put FTA on the sidebar because Richard was anything other than boring. The fact he hated Evie was a bonus. Are you a fan of Evie Galina ?
Eddie
RN used to do lowcarb -- he developed a really good fatbread recipe. Then as they say "something happened" and he went off the LC rails....too bad. :-(
Yeah, Atkins IS dead. I like to think that if he were around still he would have evolved with the science and denounced soy and inustrial seed oils like most os US have.
Well, Richard has not changed, he is still not boring and he is not afraid to admit he did mistakes. I had a lot of entertainment socializing with people on his blog, but after he became fan of potatoes, I started to feel more like an outsider. I still feel friendly toward Richard.
I used to visit Carbsane blog regularly because it was a meeting place for people who lost weight by different methods, but I got tired of the constant negative misrepresenting of LC diets there. OK, LCarbing doesn't not make everyone effortlessly thin, but neither does CICO, which was never criticized.
Probably, you noticed it too, sometimes we agree with a part of the message, but not everything. Like that movie about sugar (sugar was bad, but pasta was fine).
My favorite blog is the Scribble pad. Hardcore LCarbing minus LC bullshit about unrealistic for many people "success stories". There is unfortunately plenty of LC BS on the web. I guess the unrealistically rosy presentation of LC diets on many LC blogs creates base for frustration and even may push people into a wrong direction eventually. Evelyn is a disappointed LCarber herself, and her example illustrates the extent of what LC misrepresentation can do to a person. Many stuck on a weight-loss plateau and start to look what to do next, some unfortunately find themselves on blogs criticizing LCarbing, like FTA and Carbsane. Evelyn doesn't offer any working solution, Richard advocates starches and milk lately, but Wooo gives plenty of tips for LCarbers.
How do you feel about too optimistic stories, Eddie? There are miracles for sure, but expecting miracles and not getting there could backfire, and even create misguided enemies.
“How do you feel about too optimistic stories, Eddie? There are miracles for sure, but expecting miracles and not getting there could backfire, and even create misguided enemies.”
Good question Galina, but first it should be remembered a type two diabetic has a huge incentive to lowcarb over non diabetics, the reason elevated blood glucose numbers. Before diabetes diagnosis I was over weight, but that did not bother me one iota. I would never have heard of lowcarbing or any other diet unless I had become ill for the first time in my life. I come from a long line of type two diabetics, but never thought it would get to me, more fool me eh ?
I appreciate lowcarbing is not a miracle cure, especially for diabetes, however it makes controlling diabetes a much easier situation on nil or minimal meds. Lowcarbing also benefits many other healthcare situations. It seems to me the people that take the Evie route and rubbish lowcarbing, have severe weight issues which over time become deep seated psychological issues. How can EK still be obese with all she knows about weight loss and metabolism ? Although I do not believe fully in the CICO theory, calories play a major part in any weight loss program. Just because a person lowcarb’s does not mean they can eat unlimited calories and still expect to lose weight. I believe anyone can lose weight, but it requires a plan and will power. It also has to be a plan for life, not a temporary situation. First reduce carbs to between 30 and 50 per day, weight loss usually occurs. If weight loss plateaus out, reduce calories. This method cannot fail, but is easier said than done of course.
As for Richard, I have nothing against him, I expect having a drink with him would be a riot. If I was running a lads blog he would be a star, but far more women read and comment here than men, and some of Richards posts have gone over the line. Don’t get me wrong I hate censorship, Richard is capable of great posts, but just lately seams to have forgotten what it’s all about, helping others. We go for a mixed bag sort of blog, but the majority of posts are trying to inform people, hopefully help people, maybe give someone a chuckle or two, my personnel angst and grief people can do without.
Regards Eddie
Your third paragraph above Eddie just says it all for me.
There is no mystery and no one claims it is a miracle cure or weight loss method. It is only those who read what they want to read and then misrepresent it who have a problem.
It is just complete common sense and as such the advice about carbs should be standard on diagnosis.
If people refuse to accept it, that is their choice but at least they have been made aware of it.
That paragraph should be printed in large letters at the head of the page.Not rocket science is it? or sedition or treason or incitement to violent crime?{or it oughtn't to be}.
The calorie control bit is often missed as people think they are able to eat huge amounts so long as it is low carb.To be able to reduce or avoid medication is an enormous benefit which is probably only completely appreciated by those who have been on strong or multiple meds.Reducing carbs is essential for diabetics of any type who want to retain some control over their diabetes rather than allow it to control them.
Kath
Galina L. said...
"But Richard is not a LCarber, you put him on your blog-roll only because he attacked Carbsane."
Just to clarify things Galina both Eddie and I used to follow Richards blog long before we'd even heard of carbsane.
Graham
" Although I do not believe fully in the CICO theory, calories play a major part in any weight loss program. Just because a person lowcarb’s does not mean they can eat unlimited calories and still expect to lose weight. I believe anyone can lose weight, but it requires a plan and will power. It also has to be a plan for life, not a temporary situation. First reduce carbs to between 30 and 50 per day, weight loss usually occurs. If weight loss plateaus out, reduce calories. This method cannot fail, but is easier said than done of course."
I have a lot to say on the subject, but I am not sure that you , guys, are really interested. You are dealing with dangerous life, kidney, eyes and limb-threatening condition, while most people who can't loose all the weight they want are mostly healthy than average, and their lbs are more from a vanity category.True, it is easier said than done, but hormones play a major role in a weight-loss, not a will-power and discipline. Especially for middle-aged females and people who lost a lot of weight more than one time. Weight-loss especially gets hard after several weight losses and re-gains because it changes body hormones in a way that fat accumulation is very favorable by the body. In such situation fighting against weight gain could be as hard as fighting puberty changes(gymnast girls can do it, they starve themselves while exercising hard, it arrests growth, menstruating and fat accumulation in breasts and low body ). It is not unthinkable to find a person who eats 1000 cal a day after a massive weight-loss or after a bariatric surgery in order not to re-gain. In ladies pre-menapausal hormonal change often creates situation when muscles are lost before any fat would be touched. Internet if full of testimonials how people went on a LC or Paleo diet, ate all fatty food and meat they wanted, lost 60 lb (at such point they usually sent a letter to Mark Sisson or Dr.Andreas with before and after pictures about their amazing story ),then gradually started eating more carbs (even Atkins recommended carbs re-introduction, but it is sure easier said than done) ,gained with an amazing speed 60 lb and more , went back on LCarbing, but lost just a little bit of weight second time and stuck like for ever despite avoiding nuts and LC deserts.Only things like eating every other day or ones a day sort of work at that point (look at Jimmy Moore). Another option - starve yourselves and feel really, really like crap(cold, foggy-headed, insomniac, lethargic).Going against nature would cost your. It is how diet trap looks like. Not everybody gets trapped, but it is not uncommon, and the victims are normally not believed by people who had easier weigh-loss(like in Aushwitz everyone was thin, so can you), which sucks. Evelyn found herself in a such situation . She managed to loose whole 100 lb after some big scale yo-yoing, but needs to loose more, and can't. It is not a good excuse to ridicule LCarbers who continue to follow their diets while being unable to loose weight because diets have limited power to fight that excessive weight, however I can see how she got annoyed with the whole amount of unrealistic representation of LC dieting.
All that is complicated, and I even didn't go into the elevated fasting bs in ketosis.
Sorry, if my post is too long
Hi Galina that was a hell of a comment. I will try to answer it.
“True, it is easier said than done, but hormones play a major role in a weight-loss, not a will-power and discipline.”
I fully appreciate hormones play a part, probably the main part, insulin being the main weight gain hormone, no insulin, no weight gain, full stop. Every person I know who has lost weight, especially a substantial amount of weight, and kept it off long term has used discipline and will power. Both men and women mostly middle aged. If they revert back to their old diet, weight gain and loss of BG control would be a certainty for almost all, including our team, with the exception of Graham. Graham is one of the very slim never over weight diabetics who needs to eat at least a 1000 calories a day more than me just to maintain a healthy weight. There are not many type two diabetics I know like Graham. However even for Graham a very strict discipline has to be applied to carb intake. Over 50 carbs a day and his BG starts creeping up to unacceptable levels. This obviously requires planning and discipline.
“Another option - starve yourselves and feel really, really like crap(cold, foggy-headed, insomniac, lethargic).Going against nature would cost your. It is how diet trap looks like. Not everybody gets trapped, but it is not uncommon, and the victims are normally not believed by people who had easier weigh-loss(like in Aushwitz everyone was thin, so can you), which sucks.”
We have never advocated starvation diets, which I believe are totally counter productive and dangerous. We believe a diet has to be for life not just in the short term. In the early days it is trial and error, but within a few months the correct carb and calorie intake can be found. I tend to be an all or nothing person and three months after diabetes diagnosis and getting nowhere trying to control weight and BG numbers lowcarbed to 30 carbs per day and 1300 calories. I lost around 50lbs in three months. It was too much and I upped the calories to around 2000 to 2500 depending how hungry I feel and carbs to 50, problem solved. I held that weight loss for five years. Recently I have gained 10 pounds over the last three months (shock horror I am not perfect) antis form an orderly queue to give me a kicking ! Has the lowcarb diet failed ? No way, it is my lack of discipline and lack of physical activity that has gone south not the method. Because of the very hot weather I have not been out walking and fishing as much as usual over the last two months. Also far too much wine has piled on my daily calorie intake. I have a feeling getting off my butt and zero booze for a month or so will see me back to my 165lb normal weight, it will be interesting to see how long it takes.
“Evelyn found herself in a such situation . She managed to loose whole 100 lb after some big scale yo-yoing, but needs to loose more, and can't. It is not a good excuse to ridicule LCarbers who continue to follow their diets while being unable to loose weight because diets have limited power to fight that excessive weight, however I can see how she got annoyed with the whole amount of unrealistic representation of LC dieting.”
According to Evelyn on the Jimmy Moore podcast she was very successful at losing weight by lowcarbing, but reverted to her old ways and put the weight back on, that is exactly what I would expect for most people. EK and many of her followers can talk year in and year out about every theory and biology topic under the sun, but still she stays obese, still she rubbishes people who are not obese. People that have some useful information for people looking to lose weight are her targets. Meanwhile she gets older, stays fat and bitter and twisted. If she cut back on the carbs, cut back on the calories, and spent as much time in modest physical activity such as walking and swimming, as she does spewing out vitriol she would not have a weight problem.
Eddie
I have never been overweight apart from a brief period when medication caused me to put on some weight. topping the meds saw he weight disappear in a few weeks. I am quite small, however and every extra l gram shows on me -and I can gain weigh in a few days. We often hear that exercise is not essential for weigh control or loss - but in my case it certainly seems to be. I mostly just walk but if I don't or can't my bg’s rise and the medication doesn't have any effect.
I understand the enormous effect weight has on insulin resistance but I do wish here was some way of
separating low carb for bg control from weight loss issues. So often it seems to confuse the issue in the minds of diabetics themselves, HCP's and researchers. We see this confusion all the time which is why I think that Eddie’s post above needs to be given more prominence.
Failing weight watchers declaring that low carb doesn't work because it hasn't done what they expected of it {easy weigh-loss fix} are a menace and perhaps addressing the wrong problem.
Kath
Sorry, if I involved you into an unnecessary for you discussion. I just wanted to communicate that the weight-loss issue is complicated and often logic defining, and that many woman can't loose weight no matter what they do. I am lucky to stall within just 20 lb of my target weight, my BMI now is 27. All my health issues are taken care of on a LC diet, I look and feel good, so it is not a complain. I measured my insulin, it is exactly on the low border of normal range, but because my leptine is also low due to dieting(I lost only 30 lb) end exercising for years (I also measured it), I can't loose any more weight while eating only 2 times a day a strict LC diet . I will gain weight if start snacking even LC snacks. When I visit my mom and she starts eating the same way as me, she is loosing weight rapidly. There is no way to predict on own example what another person should do in order to loose weight.
I totally agree with you about the complicated issues surrounding weight Galina. I have always been aware of them. I have lost two friends to cancer because of obesity problems which they had gone to great lengths to manage, but in vain.
I am very pleased for you that lowcarb works for you in other ways. So really we are in agreement. My problem is with those who expect weight loss to continue just by lowcarbing.When that doesn't happen they often start "rubbishing" low carb which can confuse those who might benefit from it in other ways, as you do. Its good to make a clear distinction between the two.It is not that we are not interested in weight loss as such, isn't everyone, even if only in a general sense, this is not primarily why the Blog exists. I am sure Eddie would agree.
As you know it is a vast and complicated subject. I often read studies on diabetes matters which seem to change halfway through into studies of obesity. I suppose this will continue to happen until they decide whether weight gain is a symptom or a cause of diabetes.
Kath
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