This is a link to a lecture by Prof. Roy Taylor. Some years ago I watched a video which was pretty depressing, basically Roy was saying type two diabetes was always progressive, full stop. Now as you will see he says it is reversible. This is by way of a severe calorie restriction, known as the Newcastle diet. Roy says it is all down to calories, what is not addressed is what happens when a person goes back to the sort of calorie intake that lead to the excess weight that contributed to their diabetes. This is an important factor because many will go back to the calorie intake before the reversal of their diabetes.
As many of our long term low carb high fat friends know, you can reverse diabetes without low calorie diets. As he makes very clear in the presentation, exercise is useless for weight loss. It appears we have a choice, starvation for 8 weeks and then I don't know, (if I missed something please let me know), or low carb high fat. You can of course go the big pharma route, and fail to reverse your type diabetes.
One thing is great to hear, one the UK's leading diabetes experts says "diabetes is reversible" but of course us low carbers knew that years ago. Six years into diabetes I am still running non diabetic blood glucose numbers, no big deal, because so are the many other type two diabetics I know or know of, all low carbers as you would expect. And how many are on a strict calorie or low calorie regime, none.
Onwards and downwards as Geri would say, BG numbers that is.
Eddie
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14 comments:
The Newcastle diet is accessible to or for most diabetics and cost-effective . With a modification it can be followed long term allowing one to eat food without having to restrictive food categorise.
The main thing is to reduce and keep reduced the internal fat around the liver and pancreas.
Withholding name out of fear.
You have a point Anon. The part in the video where he talks about getting back a normal first phase insulin response sounds mighty tempting. My second phase is still pretty good and I know I'll be low carbing for life, but it would be nice to eat 50g of mango like I did today and not spike to 10.7 at an hour.
I've been arguing with myself for weeks about whether I really have the discipline to try a real food version of the diet for at least a week to see what happens to my ever increasing fasting BG. I think this video may have convinced me that it's worth a try. I certainly won't be trying the blueberry muffin experiment, but maybe another mango?
Indy Jill said:
You have a point Anon. The part in the video where he talks about getting back a normal first phase insulin response sounds mighty tempting. My second phase is still pretty good and I know I'll be low carbing for life, but it would be nice to eat 50g of mango like I did today and not spike to 10.7 at an hour.
I've been arguing with myself for weeks about whether I really have the discipline to try a real food version of the diet for at least a week to see what happens to my ever increasing fasting BG. I think this video may have convinced me that it's worth a try. I certainly won't be trying the blueberry muffin experiment, but maybe another mango?
I found after three days the Newcastle diet became easy. Once I obtained a normal insulin response. I switched to the 5:2 diet.
I eat normally within reason, and then 2 days a week I go very low calorie (600) and low carb.
This approach has worked for me and has been cost effective and easy to apply.
Wherever this approach will continue working for me, I don't know.
Withholding name out of fear.
To Indy and Withholding name out of fear. I have never said the Newcastle diet will not work, my point is why bother. A short term diet, can any diabetic go back to 200-300 grams per day not a chance. You talk of the 5 2 diet, 600 calories a day 2 days out of 5 more starvation. Roy talked of basal calorie requirements of a thousand plus calories per day just to stay alive. A four year old child needs around 1400 calories per day.
Low calorie diets are not sustainable once weight loss has been achieved FULL STOP. Graham is a slim as a whip and requires over 3000 calories per day just to maintain his weight, I and Jan are on around 2000 - 2500 depending on work schedules and activity rates.
Did you notice Roy talking about a high fat meal and low plasma insulin rates ? He said when we have given a high fat diet for 7 days there is very little rise in insulin secretion. I have said for years control of insulin, self made or injected is the key to weight and BG control. Overweight people and overweight type two diabetics can have up to three times the plasma insulin levels of a slim non diabetic.
Another example, time after time I have seen people on forums saying when I went onto injected insulin the weight piled on. Another example before insulin was available to type one diabetics, they withered away to living skeletons whatever their calorie intake. In short no insulin no weight gain.
There is only one way to control long term safe weight and blood glucose numbers for an active type two diabetic, low carb high fat. Diets almost never work. Changes have to be made for life. One other point, Roy never mentioned once about reducing carbohydrates severely, and replacing them with fat. He has just been given over £2 million quid from DUK to confirm again, starve someone and they lose weight and BG numbers fall, wonderful, who would have thought that.
I appreciate the loss of liver fat and pancreas fat around and within, makes a difference, but my money is on a diabetic going back to his old diet, that helped bring about his type two diabetes will go back to where he started out.
Prove me wrong, show me how I can go back to at least 300 carbs per day as before diagnosis and hold stable weight, lipids and BG numbers, on two metformin pills per day and I will eat my laptop.
Thanks for the debate, please come back any time.
Eddie
Extreme calorie restriction diets are NOT sustainable in the long term. I like the Newcastle Diet as a shock tactic for rapid improvement, but if you do it long enough then you'll die.
Although to be fair I knocked my T2D on the head in about a month by low-carbing.
On the plus side, after eating those disgusting shakes for 6 weeks, then a nice high fat low carb diet will seem luxurious.
Shock tactics or not real food just can not be beaten It is not complicated to get the ratio correct for you. Meters are fairly reliable.
'Withholding name out of fear' - seriously though, there's nothing to fear from Eddie and the team, unless you're talking about fear from another source?
I have absolutely no plans to try and eat normally ever again as you are undoubtedly right about what the eventual result would be Eddie.
The problem for me is that despite a great A1c and postprandials, my fasting BG is creeping ever upwards, now in the 7's and reaching the stage where something will have to be done - over 7 is meant to be 'clinical review' in Australia - and I know that the answer will be meds.
I sent you a link to another video today which more or less confirms that the only "good" diabetes drugs are Metformin, Januvia and Acarbose - with a question mark still over the DPP-4 class - and agreeing with everything you've always said about insulin for type 2s.
Since I already know I can't take Metformin due to gastritis/bleeding stomach and low ferritin on the lowest dose, then I have to seriously think about doing something else.
I wish I could say the same as Borofergie - but despite excellent control over most other factors with LCHF, my fasting BG has never normalised and is now deteriorating. Undoubtedly stressing about it isn't helping much either, but not really sure what else to do next.
Maybe VLCKD or fasting is the answer for me to give my system the shock it needs?
Indy Jill said:
"Withholding name out of fear' - seriously though, there's nothing to fear from Eddie and the team, unless you're talking about fear from another source?"
I'm a single mother on a low income, whose only social outlet is posting on the DCUK forum.
I have made a few online friends on that forum and I know if your discovered on this blog you get booted of the forum.
So...
Withholding name out of fear
@Withholding
Sad you feel that way, but if you need to feel safe and comfortable, do what feels best to you.
Best,
Jill
Jill
I have watched the video you linked to, absolutely mind blowing. The antis are finished. That video gave me so much ammo I don't know how to start posting stuff up, but I will start later today.
Well done.
Eddie
'Withholding'
Thanks for sorting that situation out. You post here any-time and say whatever you want under the name of Withholding
Eddie
I'm doing the same thing, Eddie - working my way through all the written stuff at the website and watching video after video - it's probably gonna take days :-)
I wish the guy who posted them at Wooo's blog would post them at Carbsane's - her head would probably explode, hehehehe.
Just to clarify, although I follow the 5:2 diet now. I also follow the advice of Dr Lustig and reduced my total sugar consumption.
I’ve also removed from my diet as best I can hided sugars.
I drink only water or tea without milk and sugar. I can’t afford alcohol so that’s not a problem. I don’t eat deserts and consume only whole grain.
I’ve also reduce my consumption of Omega 6, which is easy on a low income as you can only afford to fry with lard and as a spread home brand butter is 99p.
So far this approach is working for me and I don’t need any medication.
I also walk a lot, as I have no car.
But then I have no idea if it will continue to work.
I am underweight for my height by 6 pounds and look a bit gaunt.
Withholding
Pharmaceutical companies have been suppressing this information for decades. Drug companies stand to lose billions of dollars in profits if diabetics learn the truth about their disease and begin using these cheap and much more effective techniques to reverse their type 2 diabetes, normalize blood sugar and avoid all the horrible diabetes complications waiting for them down the road.
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