Expert sees the lowcarb light !
Professor Roy Taylor of Newcastle University is without doubt one of the UKs leading diabetes experts. I would be surprised if anyone knew more about diabetes than him. Roy is very excited at the moment. Why, because he has recently discovered what many of us have known for years. He has discovered lowcarbing can reverse type two diabetes. If diabetes was not such a serious subject I would be falling about laughing, how much money and time was wasted on this trial ?
Professor Roy Taylor of Newcastle University, who led the study and is also Director of the Newcastle Magnetic Resonance Centre, said: “To have people free of diabetes after years with the condition is remarkable - and all because of an eight-week diet.
“This is a radical change in understanding Type 2 diabetes. It will change how we can explain it to people newly diagnosed with the condition. While it has long been believed that someone with Type 2 diabetes will always have the disease, and that it will steadily get worse, we have shown that we can reverse the condition.”
The diet consisted of “Under close supervision of a medical team, the participants’ diet consisted of 600 calories per day of liquid diet drinks and non-starchy vegetables.” in other words extremely low carb. “The volunteers were returned to eating normally but had received advice on portion size and healthy eating.” You can bet your bottom dollar the healthy eating did not include high amounts of high carb/starch food. There is no reference to the word carbohydrates in the article, but we all know what a diet consisting of non starchy vegetables is code for, lowcarb.
With the massive cut backs in NHS spending especially for diabetics, how long before a low carb diet becomes the first line of defence for combating diabetes ? Isn’t it great to find a man of Roy Taylor’s standing finally seeing the light.
DUK as usual prefers to sit on the fence. “Diabetes UK is keen to stress this study involved an extreme diet conducted under close medical supervision. We strongly recommend people do not attempt to lose weight in this way.”
Yes the diet used was extreme and us lowcarbers know you don’t have to drop to starvation levels to get good non diabetic BG numbers, but you do have to be extreme in the cut back of carbs for life, not for a couple of months.
Don't tell Roy about Dr. Richard Bernstein. Bernstein worked this out about thirty years ago.
Eddie
http://www.diabetes.org.uk/About_us/News_Landing_Page/Can-diet-alone-reverse-Type-2-diabetes/
The clue is in the title - low calories = low everything!
ReplyDeleteWell there is hope yet!
ReplyDeleteI am horrified with HCPs still dishing out dangerous advice.
Read post by new moderator josie in response to new member fishingforsouls who thank heavens has achieved excellent diabetes control http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes%2Dforum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=21962.
DITCH THE CONSULTANT, AND FAST!!
Ancel Keys - 1944.- Study on physiological & psychological effects of starvation.
ReplyDelete32 males conscientious objectors over 24 weeks on "semi-starvation diet" of 1570 calories.
Results.
Nails grew slowly.
Hair fell out.
Cuts took longer to heal.
Increasing weakness.
loss of ambition.
depression.
irritability
loss of libido.
5 succumbed to "Character Neurosis", 2 "bordered on psychosis".
1 committed to psychiatric ward.
The Biology of Human Starvation - Ancel Keys.
Low calorie diets don't work. Low Carbohydrate diet do.
they seem to be suggesting that T2s have no working insulin whereas we know that for most the problem is actually over-production of insulin.
ReplyDeleteThe subtle hint at Calorie reduction or Fasting may actually have some foundation as Jimmy Moore tried recently, in an intermittent way. Its only in recent history that we have had access to food all day every day. There would have been times when we simply went without.
You do however have to admire the bravery of re-affirming that the condition can be treated without meds. I wonder how long it will be before the HP fraternity bust this one as it would definitely hit insulin sales wouldnt it
The article states the drinks were 46% carbs, which as a % of the actual meal wouldnt be great
ReplyDeleteI couldn't agree more. Ditch the Consultant Josie these figures are dreadful. 6 maybe 11 NEVER. Damage is being done at 11 this sort of figure should not be the norm.
ReplyDeleteJoe
I see there's a post echoing Joe's comment.
ReplyDeleteLet's see how long that stays up!
Oh for goodness sake and they have such people as moderators? They give the impression that its ok to have high numbers because their bodies are used to it? "Quote: What the others are trying to say is that for some they can feel really grotty being below 7.5 and their consultant gives them bit of flexibilty to find a more acceptable level they can feel better with. I myself feel awful when go below 7.7 as my body n system are so used to being a lot higher."
ReplyDeleteWonderful consultant, NOT!
Having high numbers like these may feel fine for a while, maybe even years, BUT diabetes doesnt rest, it works there away in the background, then one day WHAM, the damage is done, comes to the surface....sudden heart attack, stroke. kidney damage....
What will you say then? "WEll my consultant said its ok to have high numbers, 10/11 is fine......" onder who will win in the long run, consultant or diabetes? Certainly not the diabetic patient! Not even if Sid Bonkers says so.
Sheer lunacy all this.
I don't actually care what you say.....it works for me so f*** off
ReplyDeleteJosie
oh WOW, I see Josie has been to charm school!
ReplyDeleteThis kind of response to be expected from ignorant, uneducated people when they feel cornered.
Same old story, trust the consultant, how many years is it when scores of women took thalidomide? Tragic, "the dcotor told me so" - its the sasme with diabetes, "the consultant told me so" when actually low carbing diabetics have proved that diabetes doesnt have to be progressive, low carbers have proved that its a very sustainable way of life.
You have cnoices, dont leave it too late.
Oh dear, it appears the low carb jackals are after new blood. What a pathetic sight you all make as you circle round the new DCUK moderator.
ReplyDeleteNothing but vicious losers the lot of you, pathetic.
Sid
I'm a very successful low carber but I'm afraid we can't adopt this study as proof that low carbing works. The study involved calorie deficit, the MRP used was Optifast which has more carb in it than anything else.
ReplyDeleteBy the way I'm not saying low carbing doesn't work,of course it does, but this study indicates that portion control is also a route.
Clearly 600 cals a day isn't sustainable long term but certainly as a kick-start it seems a good idea. Then low carb after that. Job done!
I read about this study a few weeks ago and decided to try it. Maybe not for 2 months, but, we'll see. After 2 weeks my fasting glucose is 79 (as of this morning) After breakfast (a SlimFast shake) it was 114 and a few hours later it was 99. I've been reading Jenny Ruhl's web site
ReplyDeletehttp://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/index.php
and she really stresses that the goal should be normal glucose levels, NOT 'Good enough for a diabetic' levels and I agree. After another couple of weeks I'll transition to a more normal but low-carb diet, or should I say lifestyle. As of right now, I'm a little hungry but overall feeling good, especially about my #'s. :-)
I don't think you guys get it or give Roy Taylor enough credit.
ReplyDeleteRoy is not just saying low carb but is putting out a completely new paradigm about diabetes that if proved to be right could be a game changer.
You wrote "He has discovered lowcarbing can reverse type two diabetes. If diabetes was not such a serious subject I would be falling about laughing, how much money and time was wasted on this trial ?"
Just as "NHS" has a need to read things from their own paradigm you also have a need to read things from your "Low Carb" paradigm. I guess this is just a pretty human thing to do.
Roy is giving a new theory on the cause of diabetes. In the past it was believed it is caused by insulin beta cells being burnt out by over use. In which case a low carb diet would make sense. Roy is saying that it can be caused by fat in the Pancreas blocking the insulin produced from getting out. This would mean one might be able to heal from the disease easily. These are very, very different theories.
You wrote - "but you do have to be extreme in the cut back of carbs for life, not for a couple of months"
If Roy is right, maybe not. There may be other solutions as well, such as a few short fast (which I understand have many other health benefits and has be done for centuries for health reasons) every once in a while to burn out the fat in the liver and Pancreas. Now one my be able to tolerate many more carbs in a healthy manner.
You also wrote - Don't tell Roy about Dr. Richard Bernstein. Bernstein worked this out about thirty years ago.
I don't believe you are right. From what I have read Dr. Richard held to the burn out of beta cells theory.
If Roy is right, it may benefit you for your readers sake to give up your "Low Carb" paradigm and move to a better "Roy Taylor" paradigm where "Low Carb" would be only one of the possible ways of addressing the problem.
Of course old paradigm are very hard for us humans to give up.