Extremely revealing times !

　
The Penguin Sphenisciformes Spheniscidae or Joparus Ludicrous Maximus

Over the weekend I received comments from a person calling herself “an old friend“. The word “extreme” was a very common feature. Imagine my surprise reading a couple of posts, posted last night over at Ken’s Kingdom and seeing the word “extreme” used err…………...nine times.


My name is Joparus Ludicrous Maximus, type one diabetic, wife of a type one diabetic, owner of a hypo sensing dog, and I will get my revenge in this world or the next !


Eddie

The Penguin Patrol

The penguin !

“Extreme low carbing is based on dropping starchy carbs and replacing with increased fats and protein… Problem with fat’s a fatty meal not only takes longer to digest but it is also insulin resistant to foods that contain a lot of fat needs more insulin to tackle it!”

 The facts !

The impact of particular foods on blood glucose can vary greatly between individuals and testing after meals is recommended to figure out which foods to safely include in your diet. In broad terms, carbohydrates have a large impact on blood glucose levels, protein much less, and fats have little if any effect.

Eddie

Déjà vu

Déjà vu is the experience of feeling sure that one has already witnessed or experienced a current situation, even though the exact circumstances of the previous encounter are uncertain and were perhaps imagined.

Nothing imagined or uncertain about previous encounters with the lowcarb antis, and nothing has changed. Rabid and ranting comments from start to finish. As always, not a single link backing up their claims and every old chestnut that ever came up the pike. I was expecting the flack and was not disappointed, but I was staggered to see the amount of vitriol and hate aimed at Dr. Robert Atkins.

There is one good thing that may have come from opening the door to the low carb miscreants, evidently I may be able to sue the Atkins Foundation. I quote.

“Eddie, maybe after eating all that fat Atkins said is good for you and proving him wrong by developing coronary problems.... just like he did, you may have a strong case to sue his company. If I was you I'd get legal advice from a solicitor, you never know Eddie, this just might be your chance to get a few million quid in your bank account.”

Now, if I can get my Consultant Cardiologist, to retract his statement informing me that that seven months of low carbing, and increasing my intake of fats, fats that man has eaten since the beginning of time, played no part in my need for angioplasty, I will take early retirement. And there was me thinking I would never own a Ferrari.

As I often say, every cloud has a silver lining. Oh by the way. If any of the lowcarb anti’s has further comments to make, please supply a link or some evidence supporting you arguments, “fat will kill you” won’t win any arguments here.

Eddie

Professor Sir Nicholas Wald

Wolfson Institute of Preventive Medicine Director: Professor Sir Nicholas Wald

http://www.wolfson.qmul.ac.uk/wipm/funders.html

Anne

Prescribe statins to ALL over-55's !

Yet another attempt at mass medication regardless of the possible side effects, check out the numerous comments, there's a lot of anger from those who have suffered from these very “RARE” side effects. As one who has experienced the devastating effects of statins, I fully understand their concens.

“Everyone over 55 should be offered statins to cut their risk of heart attacks and strokes, no matter how high their cholesterol or blood pressure readings, a leading doctor said last night.

Professor Sir Nicholas Wald said prescribing cholesterol-busting statins and blood pressure pills based on age alone would be much easier and quicker than the current system.”

Graham

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1383708/Statins-prescribed-ALL-55s-declares-professor.html

More on Dr. Robert Atkins

I’m always surprised at the lengths those failing to control their blood glucose, weight, etc will stoop. It seems it was ever thus, consider the reporting of Atkins death.

“Years after his death in 2003, the rumor that Dr. Robert Atkins "died of his own diet" persists. The falsehoods concerning his death are mainly propagated by the vegan group the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine and related groups and individuals. However, even the mainstream media is not blameless. In March 2007, Newsweek magazine published an opinion piece by Dr. Dean Ornish which contained the same untruths, which were later retracted by the magazine*.”

Some facts.

“And a medical report at the time of his admission to the hospital, which was later made public by his widow, states that he was 195 lbs on admission to the hospital.”

“On April 8, 2003, at age 72, Dr. Atkins slipped on the ice while walking to work, hitting his head and causing bleeding around his brain. He lost consciousness on the way to the hospital, where he spent two weeks in intensive care. His body deteriorated rapidly and he suffered massive organ failure. During this time, his body apparently retained an enormous amount of fluid, and his weight at death was recorded at 258 pounds. His death certificate states that the cause of death was "blunt impact injury of head with epidural hematoma".

The retraction.

* In March 2007, Newsweek magazine published a correction stating, "An earlier version of this story contained an inaccurate account of events surrounding the death of Dr. Robert Atkins. Newsweek regrets the error."

John

Just for the record.

How anyone controls their diabetes is cool with me. Looking at the NHS statistics, many diabetics do not control their diabetes. The stats are a damming indictment on our NHS and NICE.

NHS Statistics for 2008 2009:

Percentage of Type 1 diabetics with HbA1c greater than 7.5 per cent = 71.4 per cent.

Percentage of Type 2 diabetics with HbA1c greater than 7.5 per cent = 33.4 per cent.

Percentage of Type 1 diabetics with HbA1c greater than 10.0 per cent = 33.6 per cent.

Percentage of Type 2 diabetics with HbA1c greater than 10.0 per cent = 14.3 per cent.

These results are very similar to those found in 2006 – 2007 and 2007 – 2008.

　

How many of the type 1 diabetics with HbA1c greater than 7.5 per cent = 71.4 per cent or the type 2 diabetics with HbA1c greater than 7.5 per cent = 33.4 per cent. are lowcarbing ?

Over the last three years, I have asked many HCP’s and dietitions, how do I hold my non diabetic numbers on a couple of Metformin pills per day without low carbing, The silence has been deafening. There is no other way full stop. So my low carb antis, prove me wrong. Let’s have some detail other than we are all different, and there is no one size fits all. Oh and by the way, don’t waste my time with the 1000 calorie a day bilge being pushed by the Mods on the forum of flog at the moment.
　
Eddie

Comments, on the comments.

Carbo I am chuffed to see you are still around. Re. your comments on Atkins.

“So at 6' weighing 200lbs Atkins BMI would have been between 27 and 28, and he have been overweight.”

Your standards are slipping. As the most pedantic of people, your grammar is not up to your usual high standard. I would of course let it go from anyone else, but you have commented so many times on my lack of education. Well, I am sure you see my point.

If memory serves, you have posted on your blog that you put back all the weight you lost after over two years plus hard work. As I know who you are, and you once stated you were around 180 lbs over weight, Atkins was an anorexic by your standards. But all’s fair in love and war eh.

I would have some respect for you if you confirmed who you are. Remember when you sign posted everyone to my name and address. As even you must know, I hide from no one. On a forum, on a blog, in the boardroom, or in the car park, it’s all the same to me. Keep skulking in the shadows my friend, keep ridiculing the innocent and the non combatants.

One last point, just to let you know it’s not all bun fights and grief, dump that Orlistat and dump the carbs. It’s never to late to see the light and we never turn our backs on anyone that needs our help.

Eddie

Reply to an old friend.

Hello my old friend, you remind me of a dietition who once tried to test me, I ate her liver with some Fava beans and a nice Chianti.

Let’s get serious. Two articles, posted on this blog containing data from trials regarding saturated fat.

Now, back in December 2009 Ken started a thread on his forum called “High-fat Low-Carb Diets Could Mean Significant Heart Risk” the post was referring to a trial lasting eight weeks and involving twenty-four people. Sponsored by The Sugar Bureau.


A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat.” This statement referred to 5–23 years of follow-up of 347,747 subjects. The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.

So, two sets of data, which do you think my money is on ? As I like you, and you are an old friend, I will give you three guesses.

Your comments made regarding my heart work, was extensively covered on this blog in the post called comments received in the last week. I know exactly what condition my heart is in, do you ?

As for the bullying, my experience to date is no one whinges more than a bully being bullied. If you want to start a crusade against bullying, I think that is highly commendable. May I respectfully suggest you turn your attention to Kens forum. Bullying, thread locking, post deletion, ridiculing, harassment and banning is a regular occurrence there. On second thought, forget it, you would be banned before you could say “ Cor blimey Guv, look at the carbs in the hampers d.co.uk. are flogging off their main site”

We ain’t selling anything here, and unlike Kens Kingdom, we post the criticism we receive. Thank you for the opportunity to state our case again.

So my old friend, come back any time, as I said I like you. Oh one more thing, luv ya suit.

Eddie
　
Comments received in the last week.

From an old friend

"Just realised you have to approve my post before you publish it, I suppose I have wasted my time writing it because knowing you, you will never allow what I wrote to be read by others......just like you hated being critised on DUK so much so that it lead to you and your "sock-puppets" all being kicked off the forum. If I ever meet that guy who played the most part in getting rid of you, the drinks for the whole night are on me."

"Common sense is a must but to try and force people to accept you and your ways of controlling your diabetes by intimidation, threats, warnings and taking the mickey out of them is by no means using common sense.

I agree that every diabetic has to use common sense and reduce their carb intake but I hope no one will ever be loose their common sense and follow the dangerous route of extreme low-carb route you have taken which in reality doesn't seem to have helped your clogged up arteries whereby you had no choice but to go through an angio-plasty. Common sense is that if you eat loads of fat, it will clog up your arteries and if people follow your advice they too will end up on the operation table just like you did and probably die of an heart attack just like your overweight hero Atkins did."

"It's about time you used your own advice and see (common) sense that the advice you are giving people is very dangerous and the way you go about it is nothing but bullying, almost like a dictator."

AN old "friend". ;-)

Many a word said in jest !

　
About the Author

Keng Phooey spent his early years quite near somewhere else, cultivating an unhealthy interest in law enforcement. In 2002, he discovered quotation websites and immediately began reciting vaguely pertinent one-liners to anyone who wasn't quick enough to get away. After Keng began making up glib platitudes of his own, he decided to publish them in a book, 'A Positive Platitude'. Besides making Keng a rich man, the book allowed people to appreciate just how knowledgeable and wise Keng was without them having to actually meet him - a win-win situation. Volume 1 of Keng's book was quickly followed by the imaginatively titled 'Volume 2' and, despite receiving numerous pleas for him to stop, Keng continues to jot down and publish his trite ramblings to this very day.


This post from the same author that brought us ‘The Legends of Monty Beantipper‘, ‘Starch-My Part in Its Downfall’ and ‘Effective Guerrilla Tactics for Global Low-carb Assimilation’

Oh dear !

Eddie

Test Strips for type two's !

Severiano Ballesteros Sota (9 April 1957 – 7 May 2011)

　
So Seve has left us. I’ve been dreading that news for a while now. I played golf for around forty years and he was my number one hero. A former worlds number one and without doubt the most exciting player of all time. He lived his life the way he played golf, from the heart, fearless, and with great courage. The most positive of men, giving up was a concept way beyond his understanding, he was a fighter to the end. He was a one off, there will never be a golfer like him again. He was beloved by people all over the world, and will be remembered as long as the game of golf is played. I am sure kids yet to be born will take up golf and marvel at Seve’s achievements. There was no finer roll model for us all, and he will be greatly missed.

Eddie

National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence NICE

"NICE is an independent organisation responsible for providing national guidance on promoting good health and preventing and treating ill health."

Clinical Excellence, what does the word Excellence mean to you, high quality, very high standard, the best, superior. My point is, the NICE guidelines are a very long way from being excellent, in fact they are almost a guarantee for long tem diabetic complications. Recently relaxing from HbA1c 6.5 to HbA1 7.5 patient outcomes will only get worse.

Look at it this way. Imagine a road where many people were being killed and injured, and after a survey you found irrefutable evidence, speed limit was the reason. The obvious answer is lower the speed limit, anyone suggesting raising the limit would be considered an imbecile. That’s how I view the raising of the NICE guidelines. It is well known that reducing HbA1c reduces complications.

For every percentage point drop in A1C blood test results (from 8.0 percent to 7.0 percent, for example), the risk of diabetic eye, nerve, and kidney disease is reduced by 40 percent. Lowering blood sugar reduces these micro vascular complications in both type 1 and type 2 diabetes. Intensive blood sugar control in people with type 1 diabetes (average A1C of 7.4%) reduces the risk of any CVD event by 42 percent and the risk of heart attack, stroke, or death from CVD by 57 percent.

Source: DCCT/EDIC, reported in December 22, 2005, issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.

Back to the word Excellence, it seems to me the average person would equate Excellence and a guide line of HbA1c 7.5 as achieving an excellent blood glucose result, unfortunately this is not the case. HbA1c 7.5 = an average blood glucose number of approximately 9, twice that of a healthy non diabetic. The target for diabetics should be set at non diabetic levels. Under the old recommendation of 6.5 the statistics were atrocious, can the people at NICE really believe the outcomes for diabetics will improve by raising the bar, not a chance in my opinion.
　

NHS Statistics for 2008 2009:

Percentage of Type 1 diabetics with HbA1c greater than 7.5 per cent = 71.4 per cent.

Percentage of Type 2 diabetics with HbA1c greater than 7.5 per cent = 33.4 per cent.

Percentage of Type 1 diabetics with HbA1c greater than 10.0 per cent = 33.6 per cent.

Percentage of Type 2 diabetics with HbA1c greater than 10.0 per cent = 14.3 per cent.

These results are very similar to those found in 2006 – 2007 and 2007 – 2008.

Eddie

The amazing Cherub !

I see little miss perfect (the cherub) is spouting her anti lowcarb nonsense again! Let's have a closer inspection of her results from her Low Fat/ Low Gi diet, her A1c at 4.9% is a marvellous achievement
considering she gets hypo symptoms at 4.5mmol/L which obviously she will have to treat or she will incur the wrath of the Font. This leaves a very narrow range to get the average BG levels required. Her latest claim is that she is now underweight! This suggests to me  that she is severely restricting her calories to achieve this, which begs the question, just how many carbs is she actually consuming, could it be that she's a covert lowcarber. The only other explanation, that comes to mind, is that she's  anorexic.

Graham

Is diabetes progressive ?

A diabetes nurse once said to me , “you have to consider the fact, diabetes is a progressive disease” So, is it, well yes and no. OK what kind of answer is that I hear you say ! Well let’s consider a few things, let’s look at type two diabetes.

Most of us have severe beta cell depletion. It is estimated by the boffins, at diagnosis we are often down to around 50% of our beta cells. Over time the situation could get worse. Does this mean we will progress to diabetic complications ? No way. Diabetic complications come about by running high BG numbers. Why should we run high BG numbers, no reason I can see. With our low carb regime set firmly in place, a little bit of insulin, if required, should keep us on the right track.

What about type ones ? Well in many ways it is a very different disease. Sure blood glucose has to be controlled, but they have injected insulin. Yeah, well that is true, but injected insulin is not a get out of jail free card. Insulin is essential to our lives, no insulin, and we are on the way to boot hill, but too much, can be just as dangerous.

Some insulin users think they can eat what they like, and can cover carbs with insulin. This is true, but what are the draw backs ? Well, there are many draw backs, but tonight I will focus on one. Type one diabetics can become highly insulin resistant, just like us type two’s. It is known as double diabetes and just like the description or term sounds, it can be double the grief.

Keep carbs and medication to an absolute minimum, if you want to stay slim, healthy and complication free.

Eddie

Type 2 diabetes linked to immune system !

According to the media, most type two diabetics have asked for it. Let’s be frank, we sit about all day with a sofa nailed to our butts, munching on crispy cream doenuts yeah. Ok, calm down, but how about this latest news.
　
“A new study by researchers at Stanford University and the University of Toronto, however, suggests that type 2 diabetes may involve immune-system abnormalities after all.The researchers also found that blood samples of people with type 2 diabetes contained antibodies against some of their own proteins. In other words, their immune systems have turned on them.”

Oh and by the way, check out DUK 's latest info on lowcarbing for type 2's. Have they seen the writing on the wall ?
　
www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/new-health/conditions/diabetes/type-2-diabetes-linked-to-immune-system/article2011439/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Home&utm_content=2011439

I knew I’d smelt a rat !

As old age creeps up on me my eye sight is not as good as it was. Don’t get me wrong, it’s pretty good and with glasses, I can read the bottom line on the eye test chart. “One sense that is still spot on, is my sense of smell. When I spotted Kens poll re. How many carbs a day do you consume per day“, my ancient schnozzle began to twitch. Calm down Madam, I’m referring to my nose. Anyway, just as expected, Kenny’s crew were quick to comment on Sid Bonkers (was ever a bloke more aptly named) new thread today, entitled, “How many carbs a day do you consume per day-chat thread“. I bet they were up all night working on that thread name.

So what’s the story so far. Surely this is not another attempt to put the boot in on low carb. A few comments.
　
“I too am amazed when someone who reinforces that low carb is the best option and then publishes an HBA1c above target levels even though they have been "low carbing" for ages. I always was led to believe by members that do not post anymore or have been banned that it was a quick method to gain control and led to amazing results in a short time.” Catherinecherub.

Catherine would it be possible to place on the forum, details of how you as a diabetic and non diabetic meds user, and on a low GI diet, holds an HbA1c of 4.9. How about a few daily food sheets, also your daily exercise schedule would be very useful. I am sure you realise you are very unique in holding that sort of HbA1c number. Have a day off from carrying Kenny’s briefcase, and let us know. Seriously, your story could help a lot of people, but let’s have some detail, other than it works for me, and we are all different.


“What it shows at present is that there is no one orthodoxy here as there is a broad spectrum of numbers.

It is a straw poll just the same as asking a group of people which way they vote. It means something to us ! We don't plan to do anything with the results, just in case the conspiracy theorist's wonder !” Ken.

Ken, you operate in a dietary world that the medics and all published scientific papers have no answer, what chance do I stand of questioning someone in your league.

“There is, and never will be one way to control diabetes, yes carb reduction works but to what level is purely personal and it shows that it is unnecessary to follow any doctrine set out by the likes of Bernstein or Atkins......although if someone chooses to follow this path when all else fails well that is fine....they have to find out what works for them!

I voted 'More than 130g' as I consume anything between 110g to 150g per day (dose adjust for each meal) which produces excellent results for me, I like many people who voted see carbohydrates as a essential part of a well balanced diet and see no reasons to change my view.” Noblehead
 

Nigel, you are an insulin user. The majority of type two diabetics, and that’s about 90% of all diabetics, are not insulin users. Far less than a 130 grams of carb would have them into double number BG’s in no time. Please note ! I am not commenting on your carb intake or insulin use. I expect with enough insulin, it would be possible to eat unlimited, carbs. I do not know what effect that would have on an individual. But looking at the appalling NHS stats re. type one control I.E. Percentage of Type 1 diabetics with HbA1c greater than 7.5 per cent = 71.4%, I suspect a lot of people are consuming a lot of carbs, and for the majority of type ones, their long term outlook is pretty poor.

So transparent is Ken and his crew becoming, I feel they should be part of our retinopathy tests. Let’s face it, if you can’t see what they are up to, an eye test is well over due.
　
Eddie

Whistleblowers, any chance of a night off ?

Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate your help, but reading about Kenny boys antics is becoming a full time job. A post from a new member, err, I mean an ex member on the forum of flog and misinformation !
　
“Try harder.

I assure you I am not mistaken and have irrefutable evidence, as well as several first hand witnesses whom have watched the sorry excuse that passes for "moderation" here.

Your administrator can avail of requisite information - such is the nature of the transactional database and forum backend.

Not interested in engaging with those whom resort to dirty tactics - you are well aware of your reprehensible actions tonight, including removing long detailed reply and locking/unlocking my posts as and when it suits you.

As above, consider this my final communication with you on the matter.”
Carbmonster

Eddie

What Motivates the Employment of a Troll aka Ken?

Imagine you came across a website purporting to help diabetics avoid the debilitating complications resulting from high blood glucose. Imagine you had access to the statistics over a number of years concerning the lack of blood glucose control for the UK diabetic population. Thus from

http://www.ic.nhs.uk/webfiles/Services/NCASP/audits%20and%20reports/National_Diabetes_Audit_Executive_Summary_2008_2009.pdf

for 2008 2009:

Percentage of Type 1 diabetics with HbA1c greater than 7.5 per cent = 71.4 per cent.

Percentage of Type 2 diabetics with HbA1c greater than 7.5 per cent = 33.4 per cent.

Percentage of Type 1 diabetics with HbA1c greater than 10.0 per cent = 33.6 per cent.

Percentage of Type 2 diabetics with HbA1c greater than 10.0 per cent = 14.3 per cent.

These results are very similar to those found in 2006 – 2007 and 2007 – 2008.

Seeing these results you might imagine both the medical profession and the said website would result in widespread analysis of what has gone wrong and what needs to be done.

However, imagine you noted the NICE guidelines for HbA1c relaxed from 6.5 per cent to 7.5 per cent.

Imagine you noted the outrage for the said website demanding an explanation for the relaxation and noting that the relaxation would likely lead to even worse statistics.

Of course, at this last imagination, cruel reality rears its head and you consider the sad nature of the website’s forum moderated by sad character who cannot understand the basic physical, chemical and biological basis of dietary metabolism. The dangerous idiocy of such a person moderating a diabetic forum, not withstanding the promulgating of the relaxed HbA1c NICE guidelines, but the newly diagnosed diabetic regarding his publicising of a non-viable low carb, low fat low calorie diet for a stable weight adult male.

As others have noted the said website seeks to maintain the diabetic status quo and to this end utilises a forum moderator who will certainly help to achieve this objective.

John

How many carbs do you consume in a day ?

A survey is being held on the forum of flog “How many carbs do you consume in a day ?” After two weeks of ferocious bumping, only 225 members have bothered to confirm their daily intake of carbohydrates at this time. I haven’t got a calculator to hand, but that seems like less than 1% of the 30,000 members to me. What does that tell us ? The members don’t want to know ? Very few of the members ever check in and read any posts ? Total apathy by the members ? Or do they smell a rat ? My money is on they smell a rat.

Call me an old cynic, but when was Ken interested in what others thought, unless of course, it fitted in with his very unusual dietary lifestyle. According to Sue in her damage limitation post, she and Kenny are on very low fat, very low carb and very low calories “we are trying to lose weight not maintain it !” she states. Now the forum of flog mods have been type two diabetics for around 17 years between them, and from their posts and comments, still have weight to lose !

The big question is, how can someone low carb, low fat, low calories still have weight to lose ? When I started lowcarbing around three years ago, I went low carb, low fat, low calories (1300 per day) I lost around twenty pounds per month, I stabilised my weight, using more saturated fats. I find myself asking the question, how much weight do these mods need to lose ?

If they would like to contact us, we would be only to pleased to give then some dietary advice, that will ensure weight loss, great BG numbers and superb lipid numbers. And guess what ? You do not have to adopt a starvation level amount of calories.

Eddie

www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=20719

Great grovels !

“To my knowledge I have not seen any heavy handed moderating on this forum, if I had I would be the first to speak out and condemn any such behaviour............I can assure you!” Noblehead.

“Thanks Ken we need you and Sue here and you do a good job of looking after our interests and well being.” Catherinecherub.

Whistleblower outs King Canute, Again !!

Over at diabetes.co.uk, known by some as the forum of flog, the subterfuge continues. Cugila, aka Ken aka King Canute, has been caught loading the dice yet again. As regular flog watchers know there is no level old Kenny boy will not sink to in the promotion of his crackpot dietary hypotheses. Remember, Ken has stated he consumes a very low fat, very low carb, very low calorie diet, and never misses an opportunity to demonise dietary fat.

Now, back in December 2009 Ken started a thread called “High-fat Low-Carb Diets Could Mean Significant Heart Risk” It was a typical piece of drivel put out by a scare monger, referring to a trial lasting eight weeks and involving twentyfour people. I won’t send you to sleep with the details, but this world leading scientific study, was sponsored by, wait for it, The Sugar Bureau, need I say more.

So what I hear you saying. Well, the post got resurrected last night, and over the last 24 hours members have stated the following.“Maybe, for the sake of accurate up-to-date information on the site, the original post should be removed?”

“With cugila's first post in tact, it goes to show how easy it is for research like this to deceive people, doctors, the media and other researchers.

Maybe 'deceive' is a bit strong but it's a correct term on at least one level.”

From Ken

“We don't see why any post should, or needs, to be removed.......if the initial one was removed it would leave this thread making no sense at all. What would be the point of that ?”

Ken, why don’t you tell them about the three posts you deleted ? Especially the post from Graham made on the Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:39 pm The post you deleted last night.

See link.

 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Ut_J8lkpMEsJ:www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-forum/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D1%26t%3D11936+http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-forum/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D1%26t%3D11936&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk

　This skulduggery may have gone unnoticed, but for the assistance of a whistleblower and Black Ops Special Agent Dick (I’ve got Kenny boys number) Duck. Although jet lagged after a long flight from Islamabad, where Dick had been on secondment to US Special Forces, and with no sleep in four days, Dick could not be fooled.


Eddie

About 50% of all heart disease patients have had normal or low cholesterol.

Filmmaker Tom Naughton went on a very high fat diet, eating bacon and eggs for breakfast, hamburgers for lunch, steak with green vegetables smothered in butter for dinner, berries soaked in heavy whipping cream for dessert, and as a snack cheese fried in coconut oil. He consumed absolutely no vegetable oils, few carbohydrates, and nothing without saturated fat in it for a month straight. His total cholesterol dropped from 222 to 209 while his HDL shot up from 49 to 64.

Also, vegetarian writer Jane Brody once had "high" cholesterol, and went on a low fat diet to fix it. Her cholesterol went up until she had to resort to taking a cholesterol-lowering drug.

But despite that, studies show that what really causes heart disease is NOT saturated fat or cholesterol, but rather inflammation. Inflammation in the arteries occurs, and then cholesterol comes in to REPAIR it. The problem is when inflammation keeps occurring. Then oxidization of the cholesterol happens, a plaque builds, and then there's heart disease. About 50% of all heart disease patients have had normal or low cholesterol.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-fat_diet