Diabetes.co.uk lowcarb antis. Stupid, mental or just plain evil ?

For years people such as Jopar, Sid Bonkers, Phoenix and Noblehead have spent a great deal of time and effort rubbishing lowcarb as a method of controlling high blood glucose for diabetics. Between them, many thousands of hours, what have they achieved ? How many are following their methods of control ? OK a bit difficult to assess as they do not promote any way of control. Sorry Sid’s portion control of cornflakes etc. and very low calorie diet does not qualify as a viable alternative for the majority of members. Sid is semi disabled and appears to operate a diet that would not satisfy a four year old healthy and active child. The former moderators Ken and Sue used a very low calorie diet to control weight and BG numbers, indeed it was their run in with Dr.Jay Wortman, who stated that type of diet was not sustainable in the long term, that lead to their exit from the diabetes.co.uk forum. Very low calorie or semi-starvation diets do not work in the long term, this has been proved many times.


Jopar, Phoenix and Noblehead are insulin users, the majority of active members are type two non insulin users. As insulin users these people have far more leeway in their choice of foods and carb intake. As with Sid, they offer no real alternative to a viable method of blood glucose control for non insulin users, in fact they do not offer any viable method of control. These three individuals have choices. They can use more carbs and adjust medication to suit the information their BG meters tell them. All state they have good control, insulin, skilled diabetes specialist healthcare professionals. Two have insulin pumps, and all have adequate test strips to check BG. What has the average type two have in the fight against diabetic complications ?


The majority of diabetics are type two. Typically at diagnosis they are told BG testing is a waste of time and will lead to anxiety. They are told to eat starchy carbs with every meal. It’s hard to imagine a worse way to treat a person with a chronic disease. A disease left uncontrolled, will lead to life changing or life threatening diabetic complications. Remember, the typical diabetic and forum member does not have a pump, does not have insulin, most do not get free test strips ! What choices do these people have ? 


Well, they can accept the advice from the NHS, ADA and DUK regarding diet. They can choose to believe the NICE guideline of HbA1c of 7.5 is safe. They can become a victim of out of date information, the greed of big pharma and multi-national food companies. Never forget, these companies spend billions of pounds per year promoting their products, many of which no one needs. Misinformation is their main weapon, together with lying, falsifying drug trial data, and bribery and corruption. This week we have seen GlaxoSmithKline  pay $3 billion and plead guilty to promoting two popular drugs for unapproved uses and to failing to disclose important safety information. All is not lost, there is a way forward. 


And that way is lowcarbing, for so many diabetics there is no other way to control diabetes. Check out the forum and you will see on a daily basis great news regarding lowcarbing. Lowcarbers are reporting safe weight reduction, non diabetic HbA1c numbers, improved lipid counts, and some require no diabetes medication. Think about that, a safe and natural way to control a chronic illness. These people realise what foods raise BG to dangerous levels. They have replaced carbs with other more satisfying and better nutritional  foods, they have reversed the main symptom and danger of type two diabetes, elevated blood glucose. Surely no one other than a fool, or a corrupt drug rep, or a seller of high carb food would argue with that. This brings me to the post title. Diabetes.co.uk lowcarb antis. Stupid, mental or just plain evil ?


The lowcarb antis have seen all the success people have had with the lowcarb life style. Some antis dismiss these  posters as liars ! Other more subtle attacks, demonise the foods lowcarbers have replaced carbs with, i.e. saturated fats man has ate since the beginning of time. The fact is these lowcarb antis will do anything to disrupt, antagonise and spread misinformation. They cannot deny the good news other than call people liars, they cannot inform people how they can control their diabetes, weight and lipids with minimal or no medication. Their main tool is creating thread locking, editing of posts and ridicule. When that fails, they accuse people of bullying, rather ironic when you think in Kens days as a moderator, they backed him to the hilt and bullied so many people away. Let’s make no mistake, these antis know so many have no choice other than lowcarb, so the question, are these antis stupid, mental or just plain evil ? is valid in my opinion. Make up you own mind. As always, anyone is free to come here and argue their case, we look forward to your comments and argument.


Eddie



Post edit and update. Some of the comments from the lowcarb antis today.


From Noblehead.


“Your reply to Phoenix is bang out of order and was made with intent to cause trouble on the forum, Pheonix or any other type 1's/type 1.5 tell type 2's what dietary path they should choose and that is for the individual to decide”


This from a man that accused a member a short while ago of supplying us with confidential information about forum members. When asked to apologise, he run screaming to the mods for protection. Result thread locked.


From Sid Bonkers.


“This is exactly the sort of garbage that should be moderated as it just scaremongering rubbish. We know that over 60% of T2 diabetics are within NICE guidelines, thats over a million diabetics. They are not being sent blind and they are not having their feet amputated, what they are doing is eating a sensible healthy balanced diet having lost weight where necessary.”


The NICE guidelines are HbA1c of 7.5%. This equates to average BG around twice a non diabetic. Sid has a published HbA1c of mid fives. He stated today.  “my sister and my mother in law of whom I have spoken before, both have HbA1c's in the 5% range neither are overweight and neither low carb” So he is in a safe place and so are his family members. Why does he feel NICE guidelines should be promoted as safe ? The facts.


Percentage of Registered Diabetics in England with HbA1c > 7.5 %   2010/2011 Type one 71.30%  Type two 32.60%     


From Phoenix.


“Finally, which is why I like to point out alternatives, I don't like to see facts turned on their heads. Blaming carbohydrates, from whatever source, for the incidence of obesity, calling them poison or suggesting that they are killers ( along with some really mangled science) is crazy” 


Mangled science, check out the Ancel Keys lipid hypothesis if you want to know all about mangled science. Phoenix is an aficionado of Hope Warshaw, who is the US drug shill who states lowcarb is the old dogma, use the wonderful drugs that are available. Avandia, Actos, thanks but no thanks.


Jopar.


Having a very rare day off. I wait with bated breath for her insightful contribution to the debate.


Update number two.


Thread locked, last post Noblehead. Business as usual at the forum ! The same four get every thread locked that illustrates their lack of sound dietary information and safe type two diabetes control. Type one's also report less medication and better control using lowcarb. We will never forget Fergus and Timo, both type one's who led the way at the start of the diabetes.co.uk forum.