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It's called Karma.
ETYM Board took, took and took from DCUK and then moved on thinking they were bigger and better.
At least this group are trying to do something, as you did when you started your blog.
There should be room for everyone - but ladies move over from the coffee table, more debate is needed please.
"It's called Karma.
ETYM Board took, took and took from DCUK and then moved on thinking they were bigger and better."
Sorry, I don’t agree with your comment. There are some great people at ETYM who worked hard to spread the lowcarb message at diabetes.co.uk. As we have seen so many times, DCUK thought more of sponsors and the lowcarb antis than the lowcarb messengers, and banned them. Unfortunately a couple of ETYM mods are suffering from the most feared diabetic complication known to man, Cugilaopathy.
BTW Don’t start me off on the subject of Karma !
Regards Eddie
It's called Karma.
ETYM Board took, took and took from DCUK and then moved on thinking they were bigger and better.
I don't think this is quite true, as Eddie said , most were banned because they believed passionately about low carb and DCUK were not happy with this message fully out their for some reason, what were they gonna do, crawl away and be quite?
I have also put this same/similar comment on the other article concerning ETYM. I agree with "interested reader" when he/she said.
"If you want a chat room or friendly cafe it is doing very well indeed. Could they perhaps have a separate debate section?"
We all need different things at different times and by having a separate section that deals with the more cosy and intimate friendly everyday chat and then have a section call it 'debate' and put the news and different slant of ideas that are so important to have on any forum or blog. If it is clearly labelled and made known would it not help.
Eddie and Graham will correct me if I am wrong, I think David on the 'older low carb forum' tried this, but it still has to be open for everyone to read and decide whether they want to enter in the debate or talk about the weather, washing and avatars important things to many as they get on with their everyday lives. Some want more and it needs to be addressed.
My views, some may not agree and some have turned their back already on this new forum.
Sorry ETYM this cartoon tells it like it is and Stephen (borofergie) does do some excellent graphs doesn't he.Please seriously consider making changes, you all stuck your necks out - do something about it. You must cater for all and not a cosy few.
LB
There is a debate section, have you seen it or are you just blindly following the comments!
If you want the forum to have more debate which I entirely agree would be a good thing isn't the answer for you to join in and make some. We are not going to stop anyone from joining whatever views you have. Not difficult is it?
In the interest of transparency blind doggie is a forum owner and mod at ETYM.
AliB wrote: On the “Is there no end to the problems caused by gluten?”
Why is the well-known fact that many thousands of people are killed and damaged by drugs every year somehow just swept under the carpet?
Followed up by this comment from you.
Again show me some real evidence that this "well know fact" is true please. I really object to things being stated as factually accurate 100% true statements without offering any evidence to back up the claims.
This thread was subjected to post deletions and editing to finally locked. Ali was polite and posted up long well thought out posts, some of the members did not like the content, had a winge and two mods made sure the debate was ended. Ali left the forum
I mentioned on another thread regarding big pharma illegal activity to be called a hypocrite and suffering from paranoia. You edited some of the insults out of your own post. I started another thread called “can big pharma be trusted” I listed some of the companies involved in scandals, your input to the debate “Absolutely outrageous isn't it what a foul evil and disgusting company! What are you going to do about it Eddie? What do you suggest I do? Should I stop taking my medication?”
Was it Ali’s fault you obviously knew nothing about what goes on in the real world re big pharma. Was I so wrong to bring the subject up when the thread was talking about statins.
A member posted on the can big pharma be trusted thread the following.
“But whats your point Eddie, we can all research til the cows come home, and be shocked by what we read. When alls said and done we are just little people trying to manage this diss-ease. We have no affect on these big boys, we are just their guinea pigs. They know by the time any court says they are wrong, folk will be dead or too old and sick to care.
We are on this forum to try and sort out our health by reading what others that went before us have done with what they found out.
They are American companies and I re-iterate they don't care.”
Quickly followed by.
The following user(s) said Thank You: xyzzy, lucylocket, Defren
The members and maybe some mods swiftly voted with the minus karma button and my karma went from 20 to 4 within in a few days of starting some debates. That tells me debate is not wanted at ETYM. BTW “They are American companies and I re-iterate they don't care.” That statement is not accurate. Other debates I started or items I posted were quickly deleted or edited. I and others cannot waste our time wondering if our posts will upset the tea and cakes club, or go against what a couple of mods might find disagreeable, even though the post is legal and falls within the forum rules. I for one have got better things to do with my time. I see you are talking about doing a deal with a test strip company, may I sugest you do a deal with Mr. Kipling, I am sure it would be appreciated by the cakes and commiserations mob.
Eddie
Lol sorry Eddie weren't you and I debating about "Big Pharma" up to the point you threw your toys out of the pram and ran blubbing back here?
I was trying making a serious point though. If people want a forum with debate there need to be debaters.
There obviously needs to be a variation of views and we are quite happy to support and allow people to express what ever views they have.
Just expect to get your views challenged by others who may not agree with you because that is what healthy debate is all about isn't it?
Although Eddie doesn't seem to quite get that ...
"Just expect to get your views challenged by others who may not agree with you because that is what healthy debate is all about isn't it?"
Agree healthy debate is about different peoples views, but when you get posts edited and in some cases deleted when it would appear forum rules have not been broken you do have to ask yourself are you really giving everyone the opportunity to get from a forum what they want. Sorry there are still too many chums who want tea and cakes, talking of which you'd better get back there before they eat the lot.
I've heard Mr Kipling makes exceedingly good cakes .......
P.S. Nice to see debate and exchange of views here
Jean
“Lol sorry Eddie weren't you and I debating about "Big Pharma" up to the point you threw your toys out of the pram and ran blubbing back here?”
Refresh my memory is that when saying I was paranoid about big pharma and a hypocrite for accepting antibiotics for a hypothetical broken and infected leg, or when Defren waded in coming to your assistance.
“I was trying making a serious point though. If people want a forum with debate there need to be debaters.”
You didn’t want to discuss the points you made over here re the xyzzy debate. I expect a one to one on a level playing field was not your cup of tea eh ?
“There obviously needs to be a variation of views and we are quite happy to support and allow people to express what ever views they have.”
When I have time if you wish, I will come over and give you a good debate on why I believe ETYM is not best advice for a diabetic other than a newbie. This fact is well illustrated by the fact the best controlled diabetics on your forum do not eat to there meters. For type one diabetics the less carbs, the less insulin, the better the control as Pneu demonstrates so well. For a no meds type two, eating minimal carbs prolongs pancreas beta cell life. Many type two's could eat far more carbs and hold good BG numbers, but for many reasons the best controlled eat minimal carbs. If you recall I sent the board members an email around two months ago explaining why my diabetic son does not eat to his meter.
“Just expect to get your views challenged by others who may not agree with you because that is what healthy debate is all about isn't it?”
When my views are challenged by someone looking to wind me up, and clearly knows nothing about how big pharma operates, it’s a lost cause don’t you think.
“Although Eddie doesn't seem to quite get that …”
I get the message load and clear, hence why I resigned as a board member. Just as an aside, I see the comments were down to 98 yesterday, around a hundred down from when I and a couple of others was kicking some butt. Thems the breaks eh. Just to show no bad feeling, I will give you a little tip, keep away from those Mr. Kipling’s they’ll kill ya.
Seriously, I hope the forum becomes a major force for the good of the diabetic community, but for me, I am beginning to think, forums are ‘no place for old men’ just ask Tommy Lee Jones.
Eddie
It's called Karma.
ETYM Board took, took and took from DCUK and then moved on thinking they were bigger and better.
Eh Nigel? What did any of us take from DCUK? We each spent many hundreds of hours CONTRIBUTING thousands of posts to the DCUK forum. None of us got anything in return for generating material that helps increase traffic to DCUK and generate advertising revenue to their bank balance.
"Lol sorry Eddie weren't you and I debating about "Big Pharma""
We should not overlook the fact that GSK is a UK company and is just as corrupt as American Big Pharma's.
Quoted from the Guardian
"Now GSK admits that, in effect, it risked damaging the health of people around the world, and was secretive and fraudulent in some of what it did. Among other things, it promoted antidepressant drug Paxil, approved only for adults, to people under 18. It marketed other drugs for non-approved uses; it suppressed scientific studies that didn't suit (for example over the heart attack risks of its diabetes drug Avandia), and over-hyped others that did. It also hosted outings for doctors in exotic locations and showered them with perks, knowing that this would boost prescriptions of its drugs."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/04/glaxosmithkline-big-pharma-not-working
Thanks for the information, so many don’t have clue what goes on in this world. The reason diabetics are given the diet of death by so many HCPs, is the fact that is what big pharma wants. They have over 200 new meds in the pipe line for type two diabetes alone. Look at statins a $30 billion a year earner and they do infinitely more harm than good.
Eddie
Anonymous said
"We should not overlook the fact that GSK is a UK company and is just as corrupt as American Big Pharma's."
Absolutely outrageous isn't it what a foul evil and disgusting company! What are you going to do about it Eddie? What do you suggest I do? Should I stop taking my medication?
Hmmm where did I write that before? Oh yes it was the last post I made before Eddie did his disappearing act.
The point being I largely agree that big pharma is in it for the profit but as a later poster also said perhaps as a diabetes self help forum it would just be better if we helped each other rather than trying to change the world however corrupt it is.
Get real! In the last year we have helped over 250 newly diagnosed diabetics adopt a way of life that controls their condition largely without the need of big pharma. We do this by allowing people to find a way that suits them not by dictating one single dogma. How many big pharma corporations have you changed? What difference to the life of a single other diabetic have you ever made?
This is what pisses me off the most. This whole thing is about peoples immediate lives not some remote never obtainable political gesturing.
Eddie if you want a debate you know where to find us otherwise suit yourself and just sit here preening yourself about how much we need you, how you and only you know how to help people and how much fucking karma you're going to gain by telling everybody.
Blind Doggie,
You didn't suddenly have the idea of eating to your meter as it has been used for a long time.
You seem to think you have created a miracle in diabetes control when in fact you have copied what was being used on forums by much better people than you.
People managed their diabetes before you came along and will still manage it when your forum has folded,
there is nothing original about anything you are putting forward.
Eddie hasn't changed and you knew his reputation. You thought he would accept everything you said as gospel as you are such a nice chap in your eyes. Eddie tells it like it is and you don't like it. Welcome to the real world where not everybody agrees with you.
You used this blog for your own ends in the beginning and now you are stuck between a rock and a hard place. A little humility would go a long way but you will never accept that you are in the wrong and that not everyone hangs on to your every word.
Read your forum and tell us what is going on there other than tea and sympathy and wishful thinking.
Blind Doggie
I think we have come to the end of the road on this one. We both have better things to do than slugging this argument out. Come back and comment on our posts, or comments made by readers anytime, but for me this ones over.
Good luck and health to you and yours.
Eddie
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