Phoenix, Sid Bonkers and other diabetes.co.uk lowcarb antis !

Started by Sid Bonkers , the man who believes his 17 grams of cornflakes and a splash of milk breakfast, is suitable fodder for an active type two diabetic adult, his latest wind up shows no sign of ending. Sid started the thread  ‘Low-carbohydrate diets and all cause mortality’ there is nothing Sid likes more than cause fear and confusion. Relative forum newcomer Yorksman, who comes across as an intelligent Sid Bonkers has made some good comments, but like Sid he failed to read the first sentence in the posted study. “Low-carbohydrate diets and their combination with high-protein diets have been gaining widespread popularity to control weight.” The key words ‘high protein’ None of the well controlled diabetics I know, are on a low carb high protein diet. We have never suggested a diabetic reducing carbs, should replace them with protein. We have always stated replace carbs with high quality fats.

Comparing a low carb high fat diet against a low carb high protein diet is a totally different thing. One of the posters jddukes got it spot on, almost, when he posted.

“Fact - this study was posted on a diabetes forum raised as a discussion as there are people that follow "low carb" diets on here

Fact - this study was not intended to determine low-carb effects in diabetics who are already pre-disposed towards greater mortality (which is even more slanted in our relevant scenario as this was corrected for in some of the studies)

Fact - if people read low-carb diets increase chance of death without a healthy debate why this factually is inaccurate/not been shown by this study and they alter their lifestyle as a result of this single study, we are doing them a disservice

Fact - this study does not show that low-carb diets are dangerous or increase mortality to diabetics - it does not apply to them"

I have a feeling Sid knew this study was useless, for the diabetic using a low carb high fat diet, before he started the thread. The one thing Sid loves to do is spread fear and confusion, especially amongst the newbie’s, that’s what Sid does best, and he has been doing it for years. Another high profile lowcarb anti Phoenix, on an insulin pump, test strips and a first class medical team, has waded in. We call Phoenix the slippery one, far more devious than Bonkers, the inexperienced and newbie’s probably see her as a neutral knowledgeable person, but her posts regarding lowcarb are always negative. The twenty years out of date study, a study done on rats ten years ago, highly dubious meta analysis is her forte.

Phoenix knows full well many type two diabetics cannot get a prescription test strip in the UK. She also knows that for five years almost all the success stories at the forum have involved lowcarb. A classic case is forum long timer IanD. A man who reduced his diabetic complications which almost crippled him, and reversing his complications went back to playing tennis at over seventy years of age.

Today Phoenix said to Ian “No Ian you haven't discussed the review, you've just repeated your experience which to a certain extent backs up the review in that you have been able to adhere to your chosen diet.”

Phoenix also knows IanD and many others have stuck to the lowcarb lifestyle for five years, with no ill effects. Never once has Phoenix and the lowcarb anti’s ever offered a shred of credible information for an alternative to the lowcarb way to the lowcarbers. There is no other way for these people other than lowcarb, and she and the antis know it. Heavy type two meds regimes kill people as proved in the ACCORD study she and the other anti’s know this. They have known this for years and still they keep wheedling away casting doubt on the lowcarb way. What about insulin for the control of type two diabetes, as we heard from two non diabetics posting here recently. Maybe insulin is an alternative to lowcarb for the lowcarbers, lets have a look at what insulin users achieve in the UK, regarding the most important indicator for long term health for the diabetic, I am referring to HbA1c.

Samjb posted up the NHS success rate regarding insulin users, when he quoted the NHS audit details for 2010 - 2011, 93% of type one diabetics cannot get to a safe HbA1c, yes you read that right 93% ! From Sam on the diabetes.co.uk forum.

“Apologies, it's 93.1% that aren't getting the 6.5% HbA1c target, not 94%. This table is for Type 1s in England only, for Wales it's worse. There is a complete breakdown in the audit of diabetes performance across the UK for both types. Pretty reputable source if you ask me.”

Link to the NHS diabetes audit 2010 - 2011 table 13 here. 

This is part one, we intend to post up more information on this topic, and why the low carb high fat diet is the way forward for most diabetics, and those wishing to lose weight. Please note I said low carb high fat NOT high protein.


Eddie