"What will it take for the NHS & DUK to admit their diet advice for many years has been WRONG? They may approve low carb (only down to around 150 g per day) but increased fat? NEVER? It's a war to the death - sadly of many diabetics who trust the NHS & DUK."
Swiftly followed by the forums resident court jester and chief wacko, the one and only Sid Bonkers. As always Sid's rant was liked by fellow oddball the duplicitous and slimy Catherinecherub.
Part of Sid's rant.
"The reason that the NHS and DUK dont admit that they are wrong is that the vast majority of doctors, cardiologists and diabetics do not agree that it is a good idea to increase the fat in your diet.
Its not a war its sensible advice Ian, can you not accept that not everyone wants to eat or even agrees with the diet you recommend?"
Would this be the NHS and DUK that says eat starchy/sugar carbs with every meal Sid ? Would this be the NHS that publishes grim audited diabetes statistics every year, and proves they are making zero improvement in diabetes outcomes. Would this be the NHS that got it so wrong on healthy natural fats?
One more point Sid, who follows your diet on the forum ? Where is your list of success stories ? you can survive on a low carb, low fat, low calorie diet because you are an invalid, and cannot walk your dog some days, as you have told us in the past. Others are working and physically active, and would never get by on your "17 grams of cornflakes and a splash of skimmed milk" breakfast. The last time you posted a daily calorie count, it equalled the requirements of a 5 year old boy if memory serves.
Percentage of registered Type 1 patients in England
HbA1c >= 6.5% (48 mmol/mol) = 92.6%
HbA1c > 7.5% (58 mmol/mol) = 71.3%
HbA1c > 10.0% (86 mmol/mol) = 18.1%
Percentage of registered Type 2 patients in England
HbA1c >= 6.5% (48 mmol/mol = 72.5%
HbA1c > 7.5% (58 mmol/mol) = 32.6%
HbA1c >10.0% (86 mmol/mol) = 6.8%
Nothing has changed, and no changes will come, until the NHS and DUK stop promoting a diet of slow death to diabetics.
The way to the Bonkers one is here.
Eddie
6 comments:
Let’s take an ordinary man and say he needs 2500 calories per day. Before diagnosis of type two diabetes 50% of calories came by way of carbs. 1250 divided by four equals 312 grams of carb, Many type two’s I know can hold nondiabetic BG numbers on around 50 grams of carb per day, using nil or minimal medication. 50 grams gives a good quantity and range of non starchy vegetables and some low carb fruits. This makes the diet interesting and sustainable in the long term.
So, we have a short fall 262 grams of carb which equals 1048 calories. Most low carbers stick to the sort of protein intake they have ate all their lives. There are limits to how much protein most people want to eat. Also a high protein diet is expensive, for people with kidney problems is not recommended, and importantly for diabetics, protein can convert to up to 50% glucose. Hence there is no such thing as essential carbohydrate.
Getting back to the 1048 calorie short fall. 1048 divided by 9 calories per gram of fat, the fat intake needs to be around 116 grams of fat. According to the NHS a man should eat no more than 30 grams of saturated fat per day. As you must realise, a true low carb diet must increase the fat content by a high amount, roughly four times the recommended.
I have seen countless posts made on forums, from people saying I am a low carber and consume modest protein and modest fat. Clearly they do not realise what they are actually eating, or have got their sums wrong, or lying. It is impossible to sustain a low carb diet without substantially increasing fats, once weight loss has been achieved. Which begs the question, why do so many of these people never get to a safe weight ? The answer is obvious, people are eating more carbs, or more protein, or more fat than they think, or what they are admitting to. So many times people make claims on the forum that never stack up when you do the sums. I suspect it will ever be thus. Sid gets by, because his physical activity is extremely low, his own admission, I am an active person, and low carb, low protein, low fat won’t work for me, or many others.
Eddie
Eddie actually a man needs 90g of fat per day - you forgot all the other fats so your post is a little misleading!
You are right. I realised that other fats make up the total, when I wrote the comment, but my main point still stands. 90 grams of fat equals 810 calories. When you look at the very low calorie totals being quoted, and many state they are low or lowish carb, then consuming the recommended fats per day, I reckon they are on a high fat diet.
Check out the basal calorie requirements.
About 70% of a human's total energy expenditure is due to the basal life processes within the organs of the body. About 20% of one's energy expenditure comes from physical activity and another 10% from thermo genesis or digestion of food. So, with 70% of energy being used just to stay alive and only 20% of ones energy available for physical activity, one has to ask the question. What levels of physical activities do low carb, low fat and low calorie diabetics participate in ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_metabolic_rate
In a nut shell, if a person is low carb 50 grams or less per day, and average protein, they must be on a high fat diet. Once weight loss has been achieved.
Eddie
"What will it take for the NHS & DUK to admit their diet advice for many years has been WRONG? They may approve low carb (only down to around 150 g per day) but increased fat? NEVER? It's a war to the death - sadly of many diabetics who trust the NHS & DUK."
Many diabetics trust their GP's. the NHS and DUK. Those lucky enough to have meters can keep an account of how their blood sugars are doing. Alas many do not have this as their "postcode" deems it a luxury.
As you say on many occasions 'it was ever thus'. There are those who take their diabetes seriously, there are those who clearly do not, there are those clearly in the middle and are muddled in their thinking. which is why the pharmaceautical companies and their share holders are laughing.
Is it a laughing matter when you lose your sight or a limb? I think not.
Loud applause for you all as you do your best to highlight the lunacy that continues.
L B
Thanks LB
We don't kid ourselves we have all the answers, but we know the basics. We have got countless people on the way to a better place and control of their diabetes over the years.
We believe for type two's diet and exercise is the best place to start. If this does not work, medication can be added to get to a safe place.
Many type one's find a low carb high fat diet reduces medication, and leads to better control of BG numbers and helps in the avoidance of debilitating hypos.
Eddie
Anonymous said...
If you read around the DCUK forum you will see that lots of people who have lowered their carbs are not eating high levels of fat but rather they are eating a moderate amount.
There are also lots who are following a high fat diet.
War and death are rather emotive and will turn people off don't you think?
War and death are facts of life, turn on the telly, radio or pick up a newspaper you can't avoid them.
I bet if Ian added up his calories he is eating less than at diagnosis.
And I'll bet Ian eats far more calories than bonkers who once posted a days menu that was around 1200 cals, that would not sustain a child let alone an adult.
Read through some other posts and you will see that people cannot lose weight because they eat so much processed meats with all the nitrates and high salt content.
Sorry but that's a load of bullshit, take bacon which is high in fat and protein this a far more satiating than carby foods.
Graham
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