Three and a half years on since type two diabetes diagnosis, and I’m still looking. Still looking for another way. Still looking for a way to get back to the pasta, bread, rice and other foods that lead to my downfall. So what’s the alternative ? It seems more meds could be the answer. The problem is, many trials including the ACCORD study tell me, intensive lowering of BG numbers using meds can be very dangerous. This I can understand. All drugs have side effects, and as we have seen, some diabetes drugs can kill ! Hence they have been banned.
High carb foods raise BG numbers, no doubt with that statement. Even the lowcarb antis would not disagree. We know carbohydrates are not essential to good health and life. We know using a wide variety of lowcarb foods will supply all our nutritional needs.
I have lost count of the times I have asked, how do we control our diabetes without lowcarbing. How do we hold non diabetic BG numbers without insulin and at times dangerous drugs. The lack of information from Doctors, Dietitions and HCP’s has been deafening.
So, all lowcarb antis, tell me how a type two diabetic can hold non diabetic HbA1c numbers, lipids of a kid, reduce weight where required on nil or minimal meds ? Help me out, tell me how I can get back to the pasta, rice, and bread I used to eat and hold good numbers on two metformin a day.
I believe it is a total impossibility, prove me wrong ! Your comments will be gratefully received.
Eddie
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For me there is no other way. After a lot of research on the web and finding your web site I started to low carb and what an improvement. Yes it would be nice to have the occassional pasta or rice dish but if I did my numbers would immediately rise. I now average mid fives and I value my health. My kids are in their teens and I want to see them grow up and god willing enjoy my grandchildren.
I have seen you write this "would you give an alcoholic more drink or a drug addict more drugs" no you wouldn't. Well the same goes for diabetics advise them to eat sugar, starch, excess carbs and what happens? Higher numbers is the result, mine would be too high for me.
Yes, we are all different and it is up to the individual what they eat but I know what works for me is between 30 - 50 carbs per day and two metformin. I'll settle for that.
Thanks for reading this
Doug
I'm the same three and a half years in from diagnosis no complications. As far as meds go I take 1 x 500mg metformin SR at night to help with the dawn/p apart from that the only other medication I take is 1 x 20mg adalat SR for my BP.
As a skinny T2 with a high calorie requirement I wonder just how a low fat portion control diet as advocated by the anti's would work for me?.
I won't hold my breath for an answer I know they haven't a clue.
Graham
Let me tell you about a packet of crisps. I'm Type 1 and follow a very low carb diet because I'm insulin resistant as well (so am on insulin and metformin).
The other day after a stressful morning at work I thought I really fancy a packet of salt and vinegar crisps so bought some together with my normal low carb lunch. See if you can guess where this is going...
I increased my short acting insulin to 'cover' the crisps but on testing 3 hours after lunch my blood sugars where in the 9.0's - not somewhere I want to be. But that wasn't the end of the fun, my blood sugars came down and kept coming down until I hypo'd and had to do eat glucose to normalise my blood sugars and had too much so ended on the familiar blood sugar roller coaster.
It is three days later and I'm only just getting everything back in order. 3 days of crap blood sugars for 1 packet of not very nice crips. F%*K That!
It is just not possible for me to eat starchy carbs, my body just can't cope - there is no other way than low carb for me.
Best
Dillinger
I'm guessing that the antis won't be too quick with any practical suggestions on this one.
This is response to a question by a type2 from phoenix who fails to mention the reason he can eat the foods is he's a type1 insulin dependant.
"what makes a good packed lunch for an adult"
"and therein lies the rub.
I'm also diabetic, I have an HbA1c in the 5s yet I eat both bread (low GI) and on the odd occasion cereal bars. I need the quick sources of energy sometimes.
Yes to the salads and veggies, vitally important, I'd also like some fruit. I would also like a source of good quality starchy carbs, potato salad is a low gi source, and good grainy bread.... if you don't require it you don't have to eat it ."
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=24113
I'd expect nothing less from phoenix, just because she can handle 45% + cals from carbs by covering it with insulin, she implies us T2s can do the same on minimal or no meds. As for her caveat “if you don't require it you don't have to eat it ." what a load of bullshit it's not a case of require it's more like we can't due to the effects of insulin resistance something she seems to forget. Let's face it to a T2 a carbs a carb low gi or not, as my meter will verify.
Graham
Thanks for the comments. We will never receive an answer, because there is no answer, other than more meds. As Dillinger states very clearly, meds can bring problems of there own.
Less carbs = less meds = better control and better BG numbers, and that's a fact !
Check out Dr.Richard Bernstein and the power of small numbers.
Eddie
Dillingers problem is quite simple, he is using the wrong insulin.
If he wants to eat all that fat and junk food as in crisps he needs to use the older insulins as their profile is different. That's what fergus does. Doing this he would more than halve his insulin requirements
I use Novorapid because it has the fastest 'peak' effectiveness; I rarely eat crisps - and the above occasion reminds me why.
Fergus uses (or used to use) Humalog and Humalin S and was very helpful in discussing the benefits of those, but I found Novorapid to be quicker and have more manageable peaks for me.
I changed to Humalog/Humalin insulins to see if they would benefit me, but I actually had to use more with less precise control, so not sure what you are basing your assumptions on?
Carbohydrate plus insulin sensitivity will define how much insulin you take (or produce); Metformin has seen me steadily reduce my insulin amounts and my weight whilst (normally) continuing to eat the low carb way...
Dillinger
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