So why this post, what's the problem? I was astonished to read Steve's blog post ripping Jason to bits, and calling Jason a liar, a snake oil salesman and dangerous. Some words from Steve's site posted here.
"Summary
I will not even get into his other ridiculous claims except to just mention them here.
– Fung claims blood sugar control is useless
– Fung claims that insulin as a treatment is not only ineffective but harmful.
– Fung claiming he cures diabetes is a disgusting lie that causes harm in and of itself.
– Fung claims to reveal the ‘ancient secrets’ of low-carb and fasting… he’s a snake oil salesman.
Read “Fung I” for a full description of his lies and deceptions and why I say… he is harming people.
In closing, I have ‘bashed’ the ADA for promoting an A1c of 6.5 as being ‘good’ for diabetics. Many low carb / paleo / ancestral leaders have as well. Yet Fung gets a free pass.
I waited to post negatively about Fung, hoping others with MD, PhD or other credentials would do so… they have not.
If your mother, brother, sister or daughter was receiving such harmful advice from a ‘diabetes educator’ … we would all be ranting about the ridiculous advice. And I am now."
Let's look at the statements made by Steve.
"Fung claims that insulin as a treatment is not only ineffective but harmful."
"Fung claims blood sugar control is useless"
That is totally and utterly misconstruing the context in what Jason has said. Jason uses a very simple analogy to explain the following. Giving pain killers to a person suffering from an infection may relieve the pain, but the root cause needs antibiotics to treat the condition effectively. High BG numbers are a symptom, high insulin resistance is the problem that must be dealt with. And the best way to address that problem for type two's, is a drastic change in diet. In my case for what it is worth, the correct diet took me from HbA1c of 12 to 5.5 in three months and a 50 lbs weight loss. Insulin and a bag of diabetes meds was the last thing that would have helped me, and the hundreds of type two diabetics I have come to know over the last seven years.
"Fung claims that insulin as a treatment is not only ineffective but harmful."
I think I have addressed that statement in the above.
" Fung claiming he cures diabetes is a disgusting lie that causes harm in and of itself."
I can see why some Doctors and other non medical people would use the term cured. I have come to know type two diabetics who were diagnosed 30 and as long as 40 years ago. The advice then (before big pharma heard the cash registers ringing) was a low carb diet. Those people are showing no obvious signs of diabetes complications and consider themselves cured, as long as they keep to the plan.
Look at this analogy, an alcoholic is damaging his body and brain with excess booze. Alcoholism is said to be a disease, but if the alcoholic never drinks again, I reckon that is a cure. Obviously if he goes back on the booze his health will continue to go down hill. Pretty much the same for most type two diabetics wouldn't you say.
"If your mother, brother, sister or daughter was receiving such harmful advice from a ‘diabetes educator’ … we would all be ranting about the ridiculous advice. And I am now."
Make up your own minds.
Eddie
Post edit.
After some exchange of views after this post was published on twitter, Steve clearly did not want to discuss the issues in a meaningful manner (twitter is no place for a full debate). Steve tweeted this. Looks likes end of conversation to me. My opinion counts for nothing, that's cool with me, but Steve's opinion is set in stone and clearly does not want his views being questioned.
Post edit.
After some exchange of views after this post was published on twitter, Steve clearly did not want to discuss the issues in a meaningful manner (twitter is no place for a full debate). Steve tweeted this. Looks likes end of conversation to me. My opinion counts for nothing, that's cool with me, but Steve's opinion is set in stone and clearly does not want his views being questioned.
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I’m dumbfounded by what Steve has been implying about Jason Fung,it makes no sense why he would want to shit on someone who sings from the same hymn sheet…I just cannot work out his angle on this-It would be like one of us doing a 180 and publicly slating Dr Bernstein and calling him a quack-Never gonna happen so why Steve is spouting this now is dead weird!! Will he be pushing resistant potato starch next like Nikoley??? I know Jason Fung is quite respected on the forum so I’ll post this one up for some feedback as I sure can’t fathom it out!
Paul
Eddie Cooksey is another blogger looking to make money see link.
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I wonder if Steve himself will come over to debate with you? I'm sure lot’s of folks have lot’s of questions for him now this has come to light.
"Eddie Cooksey is another blogger looking to make money see link."
Thanks for the link. I looked further at Steve's blog.
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" Anonymous said...
I wonder if Steve himself will come over to debate with you? I'm sure lot’s of folks have lot’s of questions for him now this has come to light."
Not a chance, a level playing field always sorts the men from the boys. They know someone like Jason Fung won't get dragged in, so they can say what they like.
I don't have to worry about lampooning the chumps, I am not a medical pro and I work for free to help others.
As I say so often follow the money.
Eddie
Eddie I'm sure your regular readers know your site has helped so many. Just look at the many comments you and the team have received. As far as I am aware you have never received any money for it and are passionate in the word you spread about the benefits the LCHF way of life brings to so many worldwide.
Anne
Sorry Eddie but I have to agree with Steve. Leaving aside that Steve is selling anything and that Dr. Fung diet advice may be LCHF that is excellent for diabetics. For a Dr. he make a lot of inaccurate statements that will turn off a lot of people. Because of the complexity of the disease and the treatments.
They may sound great because they support the correct diet and they put the emphasis on diet, but they are not accurate or backed by the science at the moment. Diabetes is an umbrella of conditions under one name, were the ethology is not completely known and making generalizations about it to promote your clinic and treatment just take away from the LCHF diet for a lot of people that could be interested but don't buy his amateurs explanations.
Yoly
Yoly
But I thought Dr Fung does talk about LCHF in a positive way. He does attend the LCHF Conferences.
LB
Let's start to put salt on your hat: http://www.bbc.com/news/health-39070183
My Dr has echoed Dr Fung that insulin is the worst thing for diabetes control. She went on to say it actually CAUSES weight gain. For an already obese person that is a death sentence. She has never heard of Dr Fung but is saying many of the same things as he. Fasting, exercise, and not taking insulin not only reverses diabetes (along with weight loss) but can be the determining factor in weather a person lives a long time or not.
Exactly the same thing my Dr has been telling me too.
Sorry to burst your bubble there but there ARE medical silence facts about fasting and it’s effects on diabetes. https://news.usc.edu/116842/fasting-mimicking-diet-may-reverse-diabetes/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5394735/
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